[Feigen] Harden and Howard want Asik and Lin to stay

Asik is a great passing center, but he doesn't have a reliable jump-shot to play him as a forward. It's because the center establishes position in the post, the SG takes the strong wing position while the PG cuts to the corner. That triangle allows the post player multiple decisions to score or pass to the perimeter.

If the initial set does not work, the power forward is at the high post ready to receive the pass and the small forward is ready to slash and cut. The power forward should have the threat of a solid jumper to keep defenses honest. The center will then attempt to reestablish position if time permits. The Shooting guard and Point guard will then have more opportunities to score with open lanes to slash.

It requires a lot of discipline and understanding of spacing that I simply think a team with our turnover rate wouldn't be able to utilize properly.

 

Our players strengths are being ball dominante. Lin needs the ball to be effective(creative) look at how long it took for him to adjust without the ball. James is putrid without the ball. Howard is to good to use him as a clean up guy. He needs the ball.

 

I'm saying they could move without the ball much better than Harden. Harden is a ball stopper and pretty much 100% opposite of the flow, Jordan and Kobe can easily fit in to that. They are better, more complete, offensive players.

Harden's a devastating offensive player; probably 2nd best open court player behind LeBron. A great scorer and playmaker, but he's not an ideal read & react type player. He works off of two things; ISO and pick and roll. Those two things aren't much focused in the triangle...well at least ISO at the 3pt line isn't.

 

Yep longely had that reliable jumpshot.

 

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I think lin is the same. He is a great playmaker who needs to be ball. he just is not a off the ball player but to his credit he atleast tried to remedy that.

 

one thing for certain, 48 minutes of rebounds and protection at the rim

 

Jordan and Kobe were two of the most ball dominate guards the league has seen and they worked just fine in the triangle.

 

That is vital when we face big teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Grizz, Indiana and now the Cavs with Bynum.

 

They had the right pieces around them as I said earlier.

 

Shaq worked fine in the triangle and he had no jump shot... Just saying.

 

If he manned up a bit, he'd be very good with his spot up 3pt shooting and his sneakiness. He's got the size, vision, and shot to be a good triangle PG. He just needs to stop playing "deer in the headlights" mode. He has the chance to be a hell of a PG for us if he plays with some cajones. It's just the cajones, he defers too much. When he's aggressive and feels he has the reign, he's pretty damn good.

 

Why would you even consider the triangle offense? That is stupid.

A read and react offense is the best bet now for this team. Miami won two championships with their offense and it isn't "triangle". In reality you need a good set of choice plays that work.

Examples are the golden state "Ladder" set, the Hawks 4-5 PNR, and heck our 1-2 PNR. And guess what just adding howard solves the problem that plagued our offense last year, late game execution/turnovers. When you have a dominant big man late in games you throw it down to him and let him go to work.

This in turn will almost always cause the opposing team to foul, put howard on the line, or if he is being doubled that day create open looks for our shooters. A triangle offense just complicates things.

 

And how do you know Harden doesn't have the right pieces around him. Many compare Parsons to being a Pippen type player.

 

I doubt Beverley will be starting that many times next year, unless Lin started to perform very badly. But I do think Harden will ISO much less as D12 will require touches. Last year, we all know Mchale always pushed for a non-sticky ball. But I think due to lack of mature stars to play with, Harden tended to take the load upon himself and had to work harder to score by himself at times. D12 will open the inside game and Harden won't need to ISO as much anymore.

 

As I sad hats why if we want to play to these guys strengths our best bet is to allow them be creative with the ball.

 

Pippen was probably the greatest point forward of alltime.He was also one of the best readers of the game on/off the ball.As much as I dislike for his antics and his poor playoff performnances (that 37 point game against the lakers don't count) he was an ideal read the game player.

 

We're talking about it in a sense if Asik was to be manned at the 4 spot and letting Dwight initiate position in the post. Shaq didn't need a jump shot because he could back down his man and convert time after time with a drop step or a hook.

The forward that establishes position in the high post would need a reliable jumper when the initial triangle breaks down.

 

Looks like LIN is going to be the mediator of the power struggle between Howard and Harden, aka feed Dwight vs Harden iso plays.

 

Just so you know. Harden also had to play off the ball in OKC and was not known as a ball stopper when on the court with Durant and Westbrook. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Westbrook and Durant didn't defer to Harden the way several of the players did last year.

And Jordan and Kobe didn't play off the ball often.