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TURNOVERS - Mythbusting and TO Tracker

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kinein, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. conquistador#11

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    harden needs to find another way to split the double team. maybe he can use teleportation? because what they're doing is placing a 3rd defender to clog, that guy reaches and knocks the ball loose once harden splits the double team.
     
  2. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    The Rockets are giving him a lot of freedom on his drives, and he's been a turnover machine as a result. Hopefully he figures out how to choose his spots better with more experience as a number 1.
     
  3. roxxy

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    For him to attack he needs to be at the top of the key & there needs to be improved spacing. Both of those things have yet to happen so he will continue to be "passive". The first because of a coaching decision which I think is a mistake & second because of the current construct of the roster. Improved shooting by the team will open up space, guys setting screens & picks & rolling hard to the rim as well would help not just Lin but Harden as well.
     
  4. roxxy

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    It’s too easy for teams to simply trap Harden or double him when he makes a move, and he really hasn’t responded well to that kind of pressure. I’m sure it doesn’t help that he’s never played near this many minutes per game in his career, or endured this level of physicality and contact. It’s going to be an adjustment for him, especially after everyone took notice with his first 2 MVP level performances. I am not worried about Harden in the long run though he is to smart to not figure it out.
     
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  5. kinein

    kinein Member

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    We have a way - let Lin manage the ball ~ or pass the ball earlier ,and move move, pass move move - until someones open.
     
  6. kinein

    kinein Member

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    Lot of solid truth here!
     
  7. cfansnet

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    It's funny how this thread has so little posts. Whereas if it was a thread about how bad Lin is then it would have several pages by now.

    I think this shows that the haters definitely outnumber the LOHs and the LOH problem is also overblown.
     
  8. Easy

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    I don't think it has anything to do with numbers of whatever posters. Usually when statistics are presented for an argument, the thread is relatively short because very few people have either the time or the aptitude to do enough research to support or debunk the argument.

    Although I would like more people who can do what durvasa does, so that this kind of discussion would be more lively, I know it is not realistic. Anyway, I much prefer this kind of threads than those mudslinging threads which are quite prevalent in the GARM.
     
  9. Coban Hutton

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    Bad coaching is going to ruin both Harden and Lin. Both have incredible upsides too.
     
  10. rocketsfan4

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    Great post. The intelligent way to break down and analyze an issue.
     
  11. kinein

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    Parsons 1
    Omer 3
    Harden 2
    Lin 2
    Douglas 2
    Delfino 1


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    Lots of improvement!

    Though I think there were a few turnovers that could have been avoided.
     
  12. kinein

    kinein Member

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    Adding a tidbit to this thread - CONTEXT! WOO WE ADDING IN CONTEXT! YEAHH BUDDYYYY.

    Deron Williams update :

    Code:
    Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
    1	Deron Williams	28	7	7	247	44	98	.449	11	37	.297	31	36	.861	3	13	16	54	5	3	28	12	130
    Deron has 28 Turnovers.
    Jeremy 20.

    Damian Lillard - 27 Turnovers
    Jeremy 20.

    Mo Williams - 25 Turnovers
    Jeremy 20.


    Code:
    Season	       Age	Tm	Lg	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
    2005-06	20	NOK	NBA	78	78	2808	407	947	.430	50	177	.282	394	465	.847	61	339	400	611	175	6	183	218	1258
    * Chris Paul started the entire season as a rookie in 2005-06
    * Chris Paul played 2808 minutes in his 1st year

    Chris Paul - 17 TO's after 8 games 2010-11
    Chris Paul - 20 TO's after 8 games 2011-12
    Chris Paul - 17 Turnovers
    Jeremy 20.
    * In his 3rd Year Lin got to play 1501 Minutes career.
    * Rondo in his 8th year 18,203
    * In his 3rd Year Lin will next play is 34th game as a starter with meaningful minutes.


    Steve Nash 2009-10 Season - 39 TO's at this point
    Steve Nash 2010-11 season - 36 TO's at this point
    Steve Nash 2011-12 season - 28 TO's at this point
    Jeremy 20.



    Goran Dragic 22 TO this season thus far.
    Jeremy 20

    - Goran Dragic minutes this year up to this point (career): 5460
    - Jeremy Lin minutes career : 1501!


    Rajon Rondo 25 TO
    Jeremy 20.

    - Rondo minutes career 14,537
    - Jeremy minutes career 1,501


    Ty Lawson 18 TO in his 4th year
    Jeremy 20

    k done adding a tidbit.
     
  13. MKL

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    Your stats are not helping me to jump to conclusions and Knee jerking. Which I think is the major draw here.
     
  14. rockmanslim

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    what program do you use to format your posts like that?
     
  15. Yung-T

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    I don't know if it's intentional but your thread is pretty misleading and fooling people.

    Lin: 6.1APG
    Rondo: 12.5APG
    Paul: 10.3APG
    Deron: 7.7APG

    Of course his turnover numbers and TO/36min will be lower than those of the assist leaders.
     
  16. Yung-T

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    And guys like Kidd and Nash had almost twice as much assists in the mentioned years, so either do ast/to ratio and put it into context with how many of the assist load he has to carry or stop misleading people here.
     
  17. Knickskiller

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    Chill out on the TO , let him do what he does best.
     
  18. pnr

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    How about Harden who has almost the same amount as assists as turnovers? No one is complaining about his turnovers.
     
  19. shortfuse3

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    Jeremy Lin doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as other PG's
     
  20. PinkTacos

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    Ast/TO
    Paul: 4.82 A/TO
    Rondo: 4.0 A/TO
    Lowry: 2.5 A/TO
    Lin: 2.45 A/TO
    Lillard: 1.96 A/TO
    Deron: 1.93 A/TO

    Not the full story because one stat is not the end of the world but it does give a clearer picture. Lin's 2.5 steals per game is great but he still needs to improve in multiple areas of his game. Give Lin more time, its still early.
     

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