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When they see my face, the world will view US differently

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    Then you agree with that writer that we should have cut off all aid and refused to forgive debt because you reject the form of government that has come to power, but at the same time we must continue to call them our ally.

    What on earth does the word "ally" even mean to you?
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    middle east chaos seems to be escalating. And tomorrow = Friday mosque day and prayers...

    Obama was supposed to make everybody like us

    not as good as advertised
     
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    It’s a shame Romney has neutered himself on the issue.
     
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    So the Europeans, who were going to be on our side regardless (even if reluctantly), are happier with Obama. However, the Pakistanis, who aren't really secure allies, hate him. I'm not sure that's a good trade-off.
     
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    Pakistanis aren't fans of Obama, in large part because of our operation to take out OBL (they were burning flags, etc). It's understandable in that we violated their sovereignty, but I don't think most Americans would oppose the decision. That said, between Obama & Romney, 13% prefer Obama, 9% prefer Romney, and 78% have no opinion. Basically, they are just mostly non-opinionated.
     
  6. basso

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    you've lost me.
     
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    You chose not to reject this critique:

    "In Egypt, Obama equivocated while the Muslim Brotherhood rose to power. He has chosen to embrace the now Islamist government there with debt forgiveness and continued aid only to see it stand by and watch while our embassy was assaulted."

    You can't simultaneously insist that we recognize Egypt as our ally and also criticize Obama for not cutting off aid to them. Still lost?

    Let me just add that I don't take exception with you criticizing Obama. His presidency is by no means spotless. I just would ask for little integrity when you do so instead of mindlessly piling on with every issue that comes up. If you think that approach is at all convincing to people still on the fence, you're sorely mistaken.
     
  10. MrRoboto

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    Yet you cannot even outwit liberals on an internet basketball forum and your best candidate you have to offer is losing to President Obama.

    Damn, things are rough for you dude.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-help-us-destroy-jesus-and-start-a-new-age-of,29478/
     
  11. basso

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    "you chose not to disavow!"

    thank you for reminding me of the folly of arguing with children.
     
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    Because the children will constantly link to articles from questionable sites and without any context?
     
  13. basso

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    in order to avoid offending Q&A's delicate sensibilities, i've omitted the link below.

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    Enough Appeasement Already

    13 September 2012
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just announced that she finds the anti-Muslim movie trailer that sparked violent and even murderous attacks on American embassies across the Middle East to be “disgusting and reprehensible” and that the United States government had nothing to do with it. I’d add that the trailer is idiotic and hilariously amateurish, but film criticism isn’t part of our chief diplomat’s job description.

    It is of course true that the United States government has nothing to do with the film, and that’s an important point to make. Most Middle Easterners have spent their entire lives in an environment where the state owns and controls most or all of the media. State-run TV and newspapers are normal for them. Some honestly may not understand that we do things differently here.

    Clinton also should have explained the First Amendment. We don’t punish blasphemy in the United States. Our government isn’t allowed to punish citizens for disrespecting a religion, a political party, the president, or anything or anyone else. This is not going to change. It’s certainly not going to change because violent reactionaries on the other side of the planet don’t like it.

    And I have to say it’s a little unseemly for our government to officially take a position on a YouTube video, even one that sparked an international crisis. It’s even more unseemly that our government is taking the same position on that film as the people who just killed our ambassador in Benghazi.

    The Bin Ladenists of the Middle East have reasons to hate just about everything on YouTube and American television; not only “blasphemous” videos like the one that inspired the current rage of the week, but also everything from South Park and Breaking Bad to Shalom in the Home and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

    I don’t mean to pick on the Democrats here. President George W. Bush did the same thing in 2006. When Danish embassies were attacked in Beirut and Damascus over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad, the Republican president condemned the cartoons.

    Violent mobs and terrorist organizations are not going to calm down just because Bush and Clinton go on TV and tell them they have a point. All that does in encourage them. As Matt Welch pointed out in Tablet, “Mohammad al-Zawahiri, the brother of al-Qaida chief Ayman al-Zawahiri, reportedly explained: The U.S. government’s statement condemning the producers of the video that insults the Prophet was not enough. Neither prophylactic apologies nor self-censorship, it turns out, seem to mollify religious fanatics.”

    This should have been obvious by now even if al-Zawahiri hadn't said anything. The U.S. Embassy in Cairo condemned the film before it was attacked and repeated the condemnation afterward. Violent protests spread across the region the very next day. The Obama administration distanced itself from the embassy’s hostage-like response while it was under siege, but Clinton just went on TV and did it again. The result won't be any better this time than it was last time.

    The West will not, cannot, change its laws to accommodate anybody’s emotions, especially not people on the other side of the planet who replace our flag with the Al Qaeda flag and murder our diplomats.The Internet will always be offensive and our First Amendment will not be repealed. The longer it takes for Middle Easterners to understand this and adjust, the more people are going to die.
     
  14. durvasa

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    I gave you several chances to demonstrate you're not a mere shill. It shouldn't have been difficult for you to say that you happen to disagree with that particular portion of the article which was flatly inconsistent with your point about Egypt needing to be recognized as our ally. But even there you had to stubbornly hold firm, coherence of ideas be damned, your only reply being obfuscation and playing dumb. I just don't understand this sort of thinking.
     
  15. ROXTXIA

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    And how many fighter jets were on emergency alert for the entire Eastern seaboard on 9/11/01?

    And how long did it take them to respond?

    And who was the jackoff President at that time who couldn't even be bothered to read a memo or act on it?

    Go on, basso. Your gramma's calling you for dinner.
     
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    So your position is that the U.S. should cowtow to a corrupt dictatorship?
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    What about the links from your original post? Or do you claim that's your own writing?

    again if that's your own writing can you tell us more about what happened at the Chicago meeting between the Obamas and David Axelrod?
     
  18. basso

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    Sullivan, 4 years ago:


    Consider this hypothetical. It's November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man-Barack Hussein Obama-is the new face of America. In one simple image, America's soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama's face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.
     
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    picture if you will a sad, pathetic neocon poster, struggling to come to
    grips with the impending doom that is, another 4 years of hope and change.

    Once you enter his threads, you enter a world of fabricated stories, slander and
    misinformation. Where facts and logic are thrown out the window. Where black is white, good is bad and democrats are more dangerous than zombie nazi abortion doctors.

    Reply at your own risk and be careful not to take anything he says too seriously because what you've entered is not civil discourse, you've entered the Basshole Zone.
     
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