Jihad targets the Pentagon with C4, grenades and model planes

As for my mission - maybe I'm a humanitarian and you're a sadist. Maybe I can't turn a blind eye to the suffering religion causes, and you're too afraid to be influential on anyone's life. When you have the power to make a change, you also have a responsibility to see it through.

Simplicity .. . is the ultimate sophistication.

Modern day education teaches you how to take simple concepts and make them extravagant and complex. That's what you deem intelligent because it gives you a good living.

I pride myself on taking the complex and making it appear simple... because once you rid yourself of the so called magnitude of something, it becomes very accessible and easy to understand. And that's the best way to decipher religion rather than scrutinize every minor aspect of it because it's all predicated on the big picture being true. Everything can be twisted and contorted when your entire perspective is incorrect. But it takes courage to let go of your ego, your need for self preservation, and slowly give into the truths of life rather than living in a bubble.

Do you have it in you?

 

Vaids, it was only after I made my first million did my mind start considering the possibilities of doing something unconventional. So I understand how carving out a career and living in ignorance takes precedence over all this. . . but once you have peace of mind (or long term financial security that the majority of ppl in their 20s lack), it's inconceivable to not try and shine the light where there is darkness.

 

It's very ironic to condescendingly tell someone else what their own religion is founded upon.

But your reality is whatever you repeat to yourself. Religion or not.

 

Good red herring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi#Red_herring

So far all you've done in this thread is spew baseless claims and displayed your faulty logic. I was under the impression you were interested in discussion and not simply making yourself look foolish.

 

You mean...these guys?



"Live and let live"?

The good old "Islamists are just reacting to something the US did" - a hardly veiled attempt to justify everything, and to paint the USA as scapegoat for everything.

Oh, and as to your assertion that there are no crazy Muslims in Sweden:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11998760

Sweden has 200 violent Islamists, security service says

A report by Sweden's Security Service says about 200 people in the country are involved in Islamist extremist networks which promote violence.

They present a threat to "groups and individuals" but not to the government or other key institutions, it adds.

The report - requested by the government in February - was published on Wednesday, four days after a suicide bomber injured two people in Stockholm.

Officials say they are 98% sure he was Iraq-born Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly.

Abdaly, who grew up in Sweden and had been living in the UK, owned a car that exploded on a busy shopping street in the Swedish capital, shortly before the blast nearby which killed the bomber.

Officials believe the bomber intended to kill "as many people as possible", possibly at the central train station or a popular department store.

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As to Switzerland:

Jul 4, 2012 - 11:00
Tracking jihadists in Switzerland

Swiss intelligence services have observed an increase in the number of trips made out of Europe for jihadist purposes, with the internet playing a central role in radicalising young people confused by Western society.

Many unanswered questions remain, but the arrest in Kenya of a 19-year-old student from Biel has shaken the Swiss city in canton Bern and especially the Muslim community, which makes up almost ten per cent of the 50,000 inhabitants.

The student, known only as M.N., was charged with having joined a jihadist movement in Somalia.

“The whole community’s in shock,” said Khalid Ben Mohamed, an imam at the Errhamen mosque.

Described as friendly, reserved and studious by his classmates, M.N. has vehemently denied since his arrest any links to the Shabab, the Somalia-based cell of the militant Islamist group al-Qaeda.

M.N., who has Jordanian origins but who has lived since his childhood in Biel, disappeared suddenly in February 2011 and has yet to give a detailed explanation of his movements and motives.

But lacking proof, the Kenyan authorities have dropped the charges of aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation. Nevertheless, the Swiss government considers him a security risk and has not allowed him to return to Switzerland until further notice.

“There is clear evidence that this person has spent time in regions of Somalia frequented by jihadist groups implicated in a conflict,” said the Swiss justice ministry, justifying its decision.

Online propaganda
The case of M.N. comes almost a year after the SonntagsZeitung newspaper revealed the death in Iraq – in 2006 – of a young man with the nom de guerre “Abu Saad the Tunisian”.

Switzerland’s intelligence services have confirmed that the man died in combat, during a United States antiterrorist operation.

Like M.N., Abu Saad lived in Biel and regularly attended the Arrahman mosque, described as the most conservative and most politicised of the town’s eight Muslim prayer centres.

“He was a young man who didn’t stand out,” confirmed Ben Mohamed. One day, however, he announced his intention to travel to Iraq. “I advised him not to go.”

Like the Swiss authorities, Ben Mohamed believes Abu Saad radicalised himself by watching propaganda videos online before leaving for Syria, where he is thought to have been recruited by an al-Qaeda cell in Iraq.


Stéphane Lathion, coordinator of a research group into Islam in Switzerland (unifr.ch)
Self-radicalisation theory
Stéphane Lathion is coordinator of a research group into Islam in Switzerland. He confirms that, in Europe, radicalisation is generally “within small groups that have broken off from the Muslim community”.

He emphasises that there doesn’t necessarily have to be a recruiter in the country of departure since the internet can easily play that role.

“That’s the real novelty,” he said. “Besides, one mustn’t underestimate the power of fascination provoked by videos on the Web, even among people lacking any sort of knowledge of the Koran.”

The theory of self-radicalisation is questioned, however, by Sylvain Besson, a journalist at the Geneva-based newspaper Le Temps and a specialist in Islamist terrorist networks.

According to experts whom he consulted, no Western volunteers can join al-Qaeda without being introduced to it by people in a position of trust, who sometimes canvass in well-established mosques.

Disappearances
In 2010, Alain Pichard, a Biel teacher and politician well integrated in Islamic circles, publicly criticised the disappearance of three local young men who had left for radical Koranic schools abroad.

“The first one came back a total fanatic,” he said. “The second, Abu Saad, died in Iraq; the third, M.E., a young Kurd, was mentally wrecked by the experience.”

M.E. told Pichard how future soldiers were placed in certain Koranic schools by jihadist recruitment networks.

Besson believes “the social, family and cultural environment plays a significant role in the conditioning of these young men”.

He added it was no coincidence that almost two-thirds of recent cases linked to Islamist terrorism which involve Switzerland have come from the same town.

“In Biel there’s a small core of radical Islamist refugees,” he said.

Attack on Switzerland?
These two cases are not isolated, if one believes the report for 2012 published by the Swiss intelligence services, which “have observed an increase in the number of trips made in Europe for jihadist purposes”.

The intelligence services cannot say with certainty that the number of trips from Switzerland have increased, but they claim to have evidence that around ten people “previously resident in Switzerland are currently in jihadist regions with a view to participating in conflicts, notably in Somalia, Afghanistan or Pakistan”.

Some experts believe the influence of Salafist jihadism has been reduced by the death of Osama bin Laden in May 2011, the breakdown of al-Qaeda networks and the Arab Spring uprisings.

This armed Salafism attracted many young Western Muslims – sometimes converts – after the 9/11 attacks and the wars waged by the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The Federal Police Office (fedpol) remains on its guard, not ruling out the risk of an attack in Switzerland by an individual or individuals who might have undergone terrorist training abroad.

“There is also the risk in Switzerland of a Merah case,” said Jean-Luc Vez, head of fedpol, referring to the French citizen of Algerian origins who killed seven people in Toulouse in March. “We’re not living on an island.”

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politic...ng_jihadists_in_Switzerland.html?cid=33034934

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Switzerland - A Base for Jihadists
Mon, July 9, 2012

Radical Muslim groups are using Switzerland as a base from which to promote Islamic jihad in Europe and beyond.

Islamists in Switzerland are providing jihadists with logistical support, and also stepping up their use of Internet websites there to spread Islamic propaganda as well as to incite their supporters to commit acts of terrorism and violence.

Swiss authorities have identified at least 10 trips by Islamists from Switzerland to jihadi training camps overseas just during the past 12 months.

One finding of Swiss Federal Police Annual Report for 2011 (in German), published in Bern on June 21, is that although Switzerland was not a direct target of Islamic terrorism in 2011, the Swiss Federal Police Office, also known Fedpol, did investigate a Swiss convert to Islam who used the Internet to discuss a terrorist attack involving explosives against an American installation in Germany. Although the report does not provide further details about the investigation, it states that the suspect's being Swiss proved that "not only people with immigrant backgrounds could be supporters of jihad."

In response to the rising threat from radical Islam, Fedpol, recently launched a new specialist IT research department to intensify efforts to monitor jihadist websites and their operators. Fedpol also strengthened its cooperation with the Swiss Federal Intelligence Services.

In a related move, the Swiss Federal Justice Ministry on June 30 announced that Switzerland has refused to take back a Jordanian refugee who, after he was found to have links to Islamist rebels in Somalia, had been given asylum.

The refugee, 19-year-old Magd Najjar, had been caught in May and charged in Nairobi, Kenya, on June 6 for links to Islamist Al-Shabaab rebels affiliated with al-Qaeda, and who openly state that they want to impose Islamic Sharia law in Somalia.

"Clear evidence shows that he visited regions of Somalia where jihadist groups are involved in conflict (against the government). It also appears that he had contact with Islamist elements in Switzerland," the Justice Ministry said in a statement.

Swiss law states that refugees can lose their asylum status if they threaten or compromise national or international security.

Separately, leading Islamic groups in Switzerland say they want to establish a single national representative body that will enable all of the country's Muslims to "speak with one voice."

The organizers say their new "parliament" will be called
A mosque in Switzerland
"Umma Schweiz" [The Islamic Nation in Switzerland"] and be based on the principles of Islamic Sharia law. The headquarters of the organization will be located in Basel with "representatives" in all 26 cantons (or "states") of Switzerland. The first "test vote" of Umma Schweiz will be held in the fall of 2012; the group will be fully functional in 2013.

Ummah, an Arabic word that means "nation," refers to the entire Muslim community throughout the world. In recent years, Muslims have stepped up efforts to unify the globally fragmented ummah in an effort to revive an Islamic Caliphate or empire. Many Muslim scholars view the political unification of the ummah as a prerequisite to the consolidation of global Muslim power and the subsequent establishment of an Islamic world order.

Swiss analysts say the initiative is an effort to establish a "parallel" legislative body in Switzerland that will be a mouthpiece for Islamic fundamentalists, who are seeking to impose Sharia law on the country, according to an exposé published by the newspaper Basler Zeitung.

"Umma Schweiz" is being spearheaded by two of the leading Muslim groups in Switzerland: the Coordination of Islamic Organizations of Switzerland (KIOS), led by an Iranian; and the Federation of Islamic Umbrella Organizations in Switzerland (FIDS), led by a Palestinian.

The effort to unify Muslims in Switzerland comes amid calls by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) to establish an umbrella organization for all Swiss Muslims to counter discrimination.

The OSCE, which sent three observers to Switzerland in November 2011, warned that Muslims in the country are being exploited by "the extreme right and populist parties." The OSCE also noted that Muslims in Switzerland are increasingly unifying around their religious identity, according to the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation. "Groups like Bosnians and Albanians, who were previously defined by their ethnicity, are now identified by their religion," the OSCE report says.

Currently, there are more than 300 Muslim associations in Switzerland, and several umbrella organizations, but none is regarded as representative of Muslims as a whole.

The Muslim population in Switzerland has more than quintupled since 1980; it now numbers about 400,000, or roughly 5% of the population. Most Muslims living in Switzerland are of Turkish or Balkan origin, with a smaller minority from the Arab world. Many of them are second- and third-generation immigrants firmly establishing themselves in Switzerland.

The new Muslim demographic reality is raising tensions across large parts of Swiss society, especially as Muslims become more assertive in their demands for greater recognition of their Islamic faith.

In January 2012, another Swiss Muslim group, the Islamic Central Council of Switzerland (IZRS), announced that it was trying to raise money from countries in the Persian Gulf to build a 20-million franc ($21 million) mega-mosque in Bern.

With three floors, the planned mosque would be the biggest in Switzerland. In addition to a prayer room for more than 500 worshippers, the building would have conference and training rooms, shops, underground parking and a garden.

Swiss citizens have been pushing back against the rise of Islam in their country. In November 2009, for example, Switzerland held referendum in which citizens approved an initiative to insert a new sentence in the Swiss constitution stipulating that "the construction of minarets is forbidden."

The initiative to ban minarets was approved 57.5% to 42.5% by some 2.67 million voters. Only four of Switzerland's 26 cantons or states opposed the initiative, thereby granting the double approval that now makes the minaret ban part of the Swiss constitution. The minaret ban represented a turning point in the debate about Islam in Switzerland.

In a related victory for free speech in Switzerland, the Swiss Federal Court in Lausanne on May 21 ruled that a citizens group called Movement against the Islamization of Switzerland (SBGI) has the legal right to set up information booths in Swiss cities and distribute literature that is critical of Islam.

The City of Freiburg had prevented the group from setting up an information booth because it said that by doing so it would provoke violence and unrest.

The Federal Court upheld SBGI's complaint that the authorities had impinged on its freedom of expression as well as on freedom of information. Although Swiss law does grant local authorities powers to ban demonstrations from public spaces, the court confirmed that they may not do so simply because they disapprove of the ideas being communicated.

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/switzerland-base-jihadists

 

Wow, you are sooo good at using google. In Sweden, the radical was thrown out of the Mosque for his extremist views. And in the Switzerland the article seems to point an isolated case of a suspicious individual but there wasn't enough evidence according to the Kenyan government to prosecute him. The best the article came up with is: "There is clear evidence that this person has spent time in regions of Somalia frequented by jihadist groups implicated in a conflict" - which like calling any Afghan who lived in Kabul for a time during Taliban rule a terrorist.

And then you quote some r****ded radicalislam.org conspiracy theory about Muslims wanting to impose Sharia law in Switzerland. For goodness sake, PLEASE USE REPUTABLE SOURCES IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY....

 

What proof do you have that this source is not credible?

Most articles about this are in German or French, but there are plenty of articles about this strange "Umma Schweiz" initiative in reputable sources such as Tages-Anzeiger (below).

http://worldcrunch.com/controversial-muslim-parliament-planned-switzerland/4675

CONTROVERSIAL MUSLIM “PARLIAMENT” PLANNED IN SWITZERLAND

A group of Swiss Muslim organizations are hoping to set up a national parliament of sorts. The Umma Schweiz, as the representative body would be called, could be up and running by 2013. But not all of Switzerland’s 400,000 Muslims are convinced it’s a good idea.

ZURICH - Some of Switzerland’s leading Islamic organizations want to set up a single national body that will allow the country’s approximately 400,000 Muslims to “speak with one voice,” as community leader Farhad Afshar puts it. But the proposal has raised eyebrows, as much as anything for the term used to describe it: a "Parliament."
Afshar, a Bern-based sociologist and president of a Muslim umbrella group called KIOS, is one of several organization heads involved in setting up the “Umma Schweiz,” as the body is to be called. The Arabic word ummah refers to a Muslim community or the Muslim world.
Nicole von Jacobs, who heads the half-canton of Basel City’s special “diversity and integration” section, says the term “parliament” is “an unfortunate choice, and misleading.” Rather, the goal is to create a new entity that would have the legal status of an association and a democratically elected board. “It’s important for us to be in contact with all the different Muslim groups,” says Jacobs.
Muslims in Switzerland have been shaken in their rapport with the state since 2009 when Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved a referendum banning the construction of minarets, the Islamic prayer towers.
“Pseudo-democratic structure” arouses suspicions
Jasmina El Sonbati, a Basel high school teacher with Egyptian roots, sees positive aspects to the idea but worries that an attempt may be made to apply various aspects of Sharia law to Swiss Muslims. “That is absolutely unacceptable,” she says.
Elham Manea, a Swiss born in Egypt, says the fact that Muslims are trying to build a strong umbrella organization is “legitimate.” However, adds the University of Zurich political scientist, “we don’t want a parallel parliament. They had a very bad experience with something similar in Great Britain, where the entity was basically a mouthpiece for fundamentalists.”
For her part, Saïda Keller-Messahli, president of the Forum for a Forward-Looking Islam, calls the parliament project “irritating.” The main problem, she says, is that taken together the Islamic associations in Switzerland only represent some 10% to 15% of Muslims in Switzerland – “the ones that go to mosques.”
“How can a body speak for all Muslims, when the 85% to 90% of Muslims [in Switzerland] who define themselves as non-religious are excluded?” Keller-Messahli, a Swiss who grew up in Tunisia, asks. It only feeds the suspicion, she says, that a small minority are serving their own agenda “behind a pseudo-democratic structure.”

Full story in German:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/Umma-Schweiz-ist-heiss-umstritten/story/18523618

 

The fact that they and you are making an accusation that that organization intends to impose Sharia Law in Switzerland without any proof...

 

Are you saying that Muslims in Switzerland are opposed to the Sharia?

 

Mostly likely they are - I know I am. Until you and your Islam-Conspiracy-Theory friends provide proof of that organization's intentions to impose Sharia Law I have no reason to believe it...

 

I don't think you realize that several of the Muslim posters here think you are wrong and they are very much in favor of Sharia law.

 

OMG!! I FOUND SEVERAL RADICAL MUSLIMS ON A INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD!!! ALL MUSLIMS MUST BE IN FAVOR OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SHARIA LAW!!!!!

 

Clearly the government needs to implement more model plane control laws and regulations.

 

He is going to post a picture of a bunch of brown dudes with beards with signs saying "Islam will rule the World".

 

Bro you should totally go to Interpol about this.

 

Lol I think he has tried. They made fun of him and gave him a swirly.

 

All that anger...

By the way, I noticed something...I don't think that we have ever had a Muslim woman posting here. Not once. Is adeelsiddiqui allowing his sisters and female cousins to have access to the computer?

 

Unable to read emotions?
You really should get that checked.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/aspergers-syndrome/DS00551

 

Muslim women - just like women in general - aren't terribly interested in sports. Hence it would be very unlikely to find one here posting. This should be common sense, but common sense seems to sorely lacking when it comes to you...

 

I don't think we had a female anti-Muslim ideology poster either.... interesting observation.