1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

"tweeners", better know as Hybrid 4's, are the next big thing in the NBA.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W22_STREAK, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. acsorelle4

    acsorelle4 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2009
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    373
    If this is true, we're a lock to win it all.
     
  2. ILoveTheRockets

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,047
    Likes Received:
    62
    guards have taken on the role that SF's used to do... coaches find it more effective if a guard can rebound the ball in the nba, to set up the break and make better passes than SF's. This is why guards are getting more rebounds in the modern nba that past era's. Not because PF's and Centers are camping at the ft line. The nba today consist of a lot of boxing out and jocking for position which allows these smaller guards to get the rebounds needed to lead an effective fast break.
     
  3. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,308
    Likes Received:
    3,580

    None of this is new... you're just young. Or you have bad memory.
     
  4. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    8,008
    Likes Received:
    616
    its not new? I'm not really too concerned whether this is new or not, because either way, its not being stressed enough.
     
  5. BEARCLAW

    BEARCLAW Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2012
    Messages:
    200
    Likes Received:
    6
    "tweeners", better know as Hybrid 4's, are the next big thing in the NBA."

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Well, Houston sure seems to have cornered the market of those types of guys...
     
  6. IzakDavid13

    IzakDavid13 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2011
    Messages:
    9,958
    Likes Received:
    801
    Still I would like a few 7 footers on our team.
     
  7. haoafu

    haoafu Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    2,021
    Likes Received:
    56
    It's all about defense. A tweener who can actually guard multiple positions(3/4) well is a good player. A tweener who can't do that is going to be out of the league sooner or later.
     
    #27 haoafu, Jul 2, 2012
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2012
  8. Dreamin

    Dreamin Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,603
    Likes Received:
    63
    Not a fan at all. Dont like all the small PG/SG tweeners either.
     
  9. Corrosion

    Corrosion Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    8,936
    Likes Received:
    11,393
    I think the difference between the tweeners on the Rockets roster and those that are stars for other teams - Bosh , Amare , Aldridge , Durant , Lebron , KG in his youth and even Deng .... is their length relative to their position. Those guy's all have the size of a player one position bigger while they have the athleticism of the position one smaller .... The Rockets tweeners are all small relative to their position.

    An example is Patterson being 6'9" playing center .... compare that to Bosh or KG being 6'11" and with long arms too. When they slide to center , their teams dont lose any length.
     
  10. AbrahamLincoln

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2012
    Messages:
    370
    Likes Received:
    8
    Even still, This approach is dead in the water when a dominant 5 is guarded in the block by a tweener. I honestly think that wherever Howard goes he will win a ring if they actually give him a better compliment than Nelson, or Turko..Having a beast 5 that can wear a team down in a series of 7 games is the way to go IMO.

    Same can be said for Bynum if he loses the attitude and stays away from the 3pt line.
     
  11. ashishduh

    ashishduh Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    61
    Don't forget that we played the best when we had Parsons at the 4.
     
  12. emjohn

    emjohn Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2002
    Messages:
    12,132
    Likes Received:
    567
    I find a lot of flaws in this logic.

    1. You don't seem to have a great grasp on what "tweener" means.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweener_(basketball)
    In the NBA, 97% of the time, you're talking about a power forward that doesn't (initially) have the size and/or strength to make it at the 4, and doesn't have the quickness, shooting, handling, or other skill sets to do well at the 3. Occasionally, a few of these guys do find their way: Juwan Howard, Antwan Jamison, Anthony Mason, etc.

    2. Your own definition of "hybrid" 4s pertains to:
    Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Andrea Bargnani, etc. These are a different class than the smurf forwards Morey's been collecting.

    3. That success, not coincidentally, has a bit to do with the out of position 3s in question being the best two players in the NBA. Miami went to that approach out of necessity when Bosh went down. OKC went small when Brooks realized that Perkins was worthless with no low post big to guard, and Miami shifted to match up with that small ball.

    4. Putting a rugged 4 at the 5 has been a decades old move by teams that don't have a worthwhile center, nothing new about that. Portland Portland would keep Aldridge at PF without hesitation if Oden had been able to stay on the floor. It should be telling that Portland's actively searching for a new C that can move Aldridge back.
     
  13. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,718
    Likes Received:
    39,367
    Echo a previous poster. Durant is ultra efficient as a 4 when he goes against other "hybrid 4s." If Tim Duncan is playing the 4 then Durant will get crushed on the defense side if they leave him in that spot.
     
  14. Sir Thursday

    Sir Thursday Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    2
    The problem as I see it is that the current NBA paradigm is for 1 Point Guard, 2 Wings and 2 Big Men. That makes it very difficult for someone to straddle the 3/4 positions, because the skills required to be on the wing versus being a 'big' are completely different. Eg. Defending in the post vs. defending the perimeter, outside shooting vs. post game.

    The game is full of 'tweeners' today because in college you can play a big man's game at 6'8" or 6'9", but in the NBA that's considered short for the PF position. All those guys who've spent college working in the post suddenly find they have to guard comparitively nimble SG/SF hybrids on the perimeter and just can't handle it.


    ST
     
  15. justtxyank

    justtxyank Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,718
    Likes Received:
    39,367
    Juwan Howard a tweener? I always thought he was a pretty typical power forward. 6-9, hit the 15 footer and had a little bit of a post game. He just wasn't a good defender.
     
  16. OlajuwonFan81

    OlajuwonFan81 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    2,671
    Likes Received:
    186
    This multiplied by 1 billion.
     
  17. psingh34

    psingh34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    804
    Likes Received:
    64
    good point .. the game is officiated differently .. with more teams trying to pack the middle with zones the low post is a lot more crowded. I bet even hakeem would have used more of the high post and face up (bc he can bc he is awesome) than the back ot the basket that he used ..

    of course hakeem also faced a lot of zone defenses (granted they were illegal at the time but that didnt stop teams from using it.. it also didnt stop him from killing them)
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now