JVG Goes Insane On National TV

Totally agree with JVG.

It's a joke there hasn't been done anything to prevent flopping.

 

I heart Jeff Van Gundy

 

Best commentator, its true though. If NBA wants to regulate technicals to the point of small taunts or hanging on the rim and other subjective things, or even with after the game throuhg tape, couldn't they easily go punish sever flopping and make people think twice to flop...or is it just engrained in the game at this point? Contrary to popular belief its been around a long time and even considered a Vet trick to do, from MJ, Reggie, Magic, Larry all of em 'sold' fouls as they would refer to it. I can't speak before the 80s, but I know even then when the game was much rougher and less protected with the wuss foul calls of today, they still had floppers prevalent.

 

Always respect a guy who says it like it is.
Screw stern, hes only helping the cause.
Players have fully figured out how to manipulate the game and are the ones in charge.
As Jeff said, if were allowed to recheck a play then these should be in the same category.
A flagrant is always altered higher/lower after checking. So give them the flop in game then after the review fine them.

 

I liked the David Stern blast at the end.

 

JVG is great, but, it does look like he pushed off a little, and the ref's instinct is to call a foul because it looks that way. If flops were punished, it would make it hard for refs to be constantly be looking for them. I believe what JVG is saying but just try putting yourself in the ref's shoes; you have to make a decision regarding fouls in a split second. My suggestion is to look at questionable calls after the game and hand out technicals for flops, which would eventually result in suspensions.

 

JVG speaking the truth

 

Can we get this guy back please??

 

I agree with Van Gundy completely, but I'm gonna play Devil's advocate for a sec.

Isn't practically every charge call a flop? Players could save themselves from falling down almost every time, yet they don't because that's just how a charge is drawn. So if we were to institute some kind of penalty for flopping, what would happen to the art of drawing a charge? Would that an exception?

 

that's why the punishment should be assessed AFTER the game. it's easy to recognize a flop with replays. just suspend players the next game when you (the NBA) determine it is a flop. that will end it real quick.

the decision shouldn't be any different than punishing a player for a flagrant 2 retroactively.

 

You make a point however its almost never thought of twice that a charge is a flop.
Charge takers actually take a hit.
We know players need to be outside the restricted , settled, squared.
Flops don't have requirements other then acting like you've got trampled on or hit by a truck. I might be wrong but i still see the difference.

 

He keeps it real.

 

Yep, this has been suggested for so long, and it's not that hard to do.

I love how JVG blasted the league. Now that he's not working in the league, he can say anything without getting fined. :grin:

BTW, that wasn't that bad of a flop. The guy did get shoved. The blatant flops are when there's no contact or minimal contact.

And the Knicks lost.

 

Honestly, if they try to stop flopping by calling techs or flagrants or whatever, they would have one of those every play. The only solution imo is to look at replay's after the game and fine the people who flop x amount of times.

 

Agree with JVG 1000%. Fine 'em. Even if that includes our beloved Luis Scola.

Oh, and if you look closely, LeBron James traveled. Tehee.

 

The problem with assessing flopping after the game is the league would have to review the flops of all individuals, through several angles, to determine whether it is a flop before handing out a fine/technical.

The problem with doing this is it would cost too much time and effort. Considering the amount of games we have and the amount of times player flops in this league it would take hours and hours to assess every flop.

Although I would say it's up to each team's management to call out a flop and file a tape to the league showing the flopping.

 

There's a difference between this:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Lv4l0KInMNM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And this:

 

No, drawing a charge is not the same as a flop. On a drawn charge, you have to fall or both players could potentially be seriously injured. And there is real contact. Falling is not equivalent to flopping.

 

That play looks like a really bad flop, but if I recall correctly, Bosh actually ended up with a swollen eye from the play.