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Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

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  1. redao

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    interesting talks on the brutal killing of Uighurs and some of the Hans without mentioning of the number 156.
     
  2. pirc1

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    I am not a real cheetah What exactly is your problem with China?
     
  3. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    I have no problem with China -- in fact i'm quite fond of the country and the people.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    You should visit China's capital city of Taipei - I hear that it has some exquisite skyscrapers.
     
  5. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    You have no problem with China and Chinese as long as it is a third world country with dirt poor citizens.
     
  6. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    I hope they haven't been toppled by the time I am able to visit.
     
  7. aghast

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    Do we simply turn our heads and look the other way?

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  8. KingCheetah

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    Another major building falls at the hands of furious Chinese protesters
     
  9. SamFisher

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    ^ We should probably make sure the buildings are structurally sound, before we initiate phase one of the very secret Kowloon Tether Project.

    Failure to do so could have dire consequences.
     
  10. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    K T P

    never forget
     
  11. thadeus

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    nationalism is for douchebags.
     
  12. kpsta

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    How did I miss that thread? Thank you... it has tickled my tether-regions.
     
  13. pirc1

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    In case you haven't notice, there are plenty of douchebags all around the world, include plenty in this country and on this bbs.
     
  14. UberDork

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    Yeah. It irked me too when he minimize the number of Han people who died by the hand of his people. Anyway, I thought it was interesting because you get to see how this Uighur organization view the riots. Just a different POV.
     
  15. UberDork

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    As Calm Resumes in Xinjiang, China Vows Punishment for Rioters

    By SHAI OSTER in Urumqi and JASON DEAN in Beijing

    Chinese President Hu Jintao presided over a meeting of the country's top leaders who vowed "severe punishment" for those responsible for the deadly unrest in the country's northwest, state media reported Thursday, in the first public account of Mr. Hu's actions since he hurried home from a global summit to oversee the response to the turmoil.

    Mr. Hu convened a meeting Wednesday night of the Politburo standing committee, the Communist Party's ultra-powerful nine-man governing group, to discuss "issues relating to the Xinjiang riot," the official Xinhua news agency reported Thursday. The group agreed that stability in Xinjiang, where riots Sunday killed 156 people and injured over 1,000, is the "most important and pressing task," and said the government will "firmly crack down on serious crimes including assaults, vandalism, looting and arson" to maintain stability.

    In Urumqi, the Xinjiang capital where the violence took place, some signs of normal life began returning as a heavy security presence maintained a second day of relative calm. Cars were allowed to pass freely on the city streets, pedestrians seemed more at ease and the makeshift weapons wielded by vigilante mobs on Tuesday were nowhere to be seen.

    A sweeping deployment of security personnel established tense calm in Urumqi Wednesday, following the deadly clashes on Sunday between ethnic Uighurs and Han Chinese, the country's dominant ethnic group, and the resurgence of violence on Tuesday. Still, there were scattered incidents of unrest. A Uighur man was badly beaten Wednesday afternoon by a Han mob within sight of the local Communist Party headquarters, despite many police stationed nearby, multiple witnesses said. Tuesday night, Uighur residents had set up barricades and armed themselves with clubs and knives, fearing more revenge attacks, said one witness.

    Many Han families were still trying to find family and friends they hadn't heard from since Sunday.

    The violence has turned a region long plagued by simmering ethnic anger into a major crisis for the ruling Communist Party. Mr. Hu's sudden return early Wednesday, an unusual move for a Chinese leadership that generally sticks to its script, underlined the intensity of official concern.

    Mr. Hu had been noticeably absent from public view since he returned, and Thursday's report was clearly aimed at demonstration for the Chinese public that he is firmly in control of the government's response to the Xinjiang violence, as well as to reinforce the government's push for calm. Mr. Hu has personal experience with issues of ethnic unrest, as the top official in Tibet during an uprising there in 1989.

    The standing committee blamed the violence on "terrorism, separatism and extremism at home and abroad," its statement said. "The unrest has resulted in great losses to people and done great harm to local order and stability. … Instigators, organizers, culprits and violent criminals in the unrest shall be severely punished in accordance with the law," the statement said. "Those taking part in the riot due to provocation and deceit from by separatists, should be given education."

    The comments were similar to those Wednesday of the top party official in Urumqi, Li Zhi, who in a televised news conference called for ethnic unity but promised to deal harshly with those found responsible for the violence. "To those who committed crimes with cruel means, we will execute them," he said, the Associated Press reported. The statements appeared to be intended to quell the ethnic bloodlust as well as warn Uighurs that they would be held responsible.

    Wednesday's show of force in Urumqi, which followed an 11-hour curfew beginning Tuesday night, was boosted by an influx of paramilitary police and soldiers from other cities, including Beijing and Lanzhou, the regional military headquarters. Earlier in the week the state-run Xinhua news agency reported 20,000 police and troops had been deployed, and as of Wednesday the security presence in Urumqi was even greater.

    Helicopters patrolled overhead and cordons of security forces in riot gear monitored the streets as other troops marched carrying assault rifles fixed with bayonets. The security presence was heaviest in Han parts of the city that saw resurgence of violence on Tuesday.

    City officials declared the situation was "under control," and there was no repeat of the official curfew Wednesday night, although police throughout the city broadcast messages on loudspeakers urging people to return home and remain calm.

    It remains unclear how Uighur protests Sunday erupted into large-scale ethnic violence. The government hasn't provided a breakdown by ethnicity of Sunday's fatalities. Officials said Wednesday they have identified the bodies of about 100 of those killed.

    An uneasy calm also held Wednesday in other Xinjiang cities. In Kashgar, an ancient Silk Road city to the west, shops along main thoroughfares were ordered to close for three days, starting Tuesday, residents said. Large numbers of People's Armed Police paramilitary troops patrolled Uighur neighborhoods there, and on the streets of Hotan, a city in southern Xinjiang, after nightfall.

    Officials now face the difficult challenge of trying to reduce ethnic antipathy that was already intense before this week's events, to try to prevent further outbreaks of violence. "It's very hard in such a circumstance to find some kind of ethnic reconciliation," said Dali Yang, a professor of Chinese politics at the University of Chicago.

    The government tried to defuse anger over an event that helped to trigger Uighur protests on Sunday that then spiraled into rioting. Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking, mainly Muslim group, have long complained of discrimination by China's Han-dominated government, and were incensed in recent weeks by a clash between Han and Uighur workers in a southern Chinese factory last month.

    In that incident, rumors that Uighur migrant workers at the plant had raped Han Chinese women prompted enraged Han workers to attack their Uighur co-workers. State media said two Uighurs were killed and dozens more injured.

    The state-run Xinhua news agency Wednesday published an interview with what it said was the young woman at the center of those rape allegations of sexual assault, quoting her as saying that the whole episode was a misunderstanding. The woman, identified as 19-year-old Huang Cuilian, said she accidentally entered the wrong room of a factory dormitory and, frightened at the sight of two young Uighur men inside, let out an "unintentional scream" before walking away, unmolested.

    Xinhua said that it was her scream, apparently misinterpreted by male Han workers, that triggered the deadly fight at the plant.

    In Urumqi, some Han Chinese, familiar with state manipulation of information, remained convinced that an assault took place and the government is covering it up to avert ethnic strife.

    The circumstances of Sunday's violence remain murky. One witness who watched demonstrations from a window of the Urumqi People's Hospital said at first there was what appeared to be a peaceful crowd, with regular police trying to disperse them. But at one point, the crowd set a car on fire and became violent.

    Many Uighurs remained in detention early Thursday. One 21-year-old woman said she hadn't heard from her brother since he was detained along with hundreds of others. "They report about Uighur violence, but they haven't reported about what the Han did," she said.

    Uighurs aren't the only Muslim community in Urumqi. There are also many members of a separate ethnic group known as the Hui, who have also been swept up in the violence, and several have been killed. "My family has been here for generations," said a 34-year-old Hui man surnamed Wang. "What happened here was caused by the ignorant who can't tell right from wrong."

    Chinese authorities have been trying to control the unrest by blocking the Internet, including social networking sites such as Facebook, and blocking texting and international phone services on cellphones. At the same time, police have generally been allowing foreign media to cover the tensions.

    In part, controls on the flow of information appear aimed at preventing fresh outbreaks of violence and to hamper the ability of Han or Uighur protestors to organize. On the day of the violence local bloggers posted graphic photos of it online, apparently spurring some of the Han vigilante anger.
     
  16. KingCheetah

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    How many more buildings will fall before there is justice ?
     
  17. MFW

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    Usually when Sammy and KingCheetah start posting idiotic pictures, you know they have ran out of bullsh1t.

    Never fails...
     
  18. yuantian

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    of course. they always repeat the same thing over and over again regardless if it's relevant to the story at all.
     
  19. YallMean

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    Well, he sure looked sleazy and at times full of it, but his demand for respecting their way of life, their religion and self determination are reasonable requests. It is very hard to argue with that.
    The problem is of course majority of Han Chinese way of life are also not respected by CCP.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    While the buildings fall,

    The People will Stand Tall.
     

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