Yet more ethnic unrest in China with at least 100 dead

could it be them too bloody or "not verified"?

 

Ya, that is the reason for not posting them. If it was the other way around and caused by Chinese police, you can bet it will be everywhere in the news.

 

You guys misunderstand me...

 

Or maybe they are hiding something?

Spoiler

 

Nice, and we talk about Chinese being brain washed.

 

Link

Reporter's notebook: Boiling emotions in China

By Jaime FlorCruz
CNN Beijing Bureau Chief

URUMQI, China (CNN) -- Han Chinese protesters were out in the streets, not far from our hotel near the People's Square, on Tuesday. A lot of the Han Chinese own shops in the area and there are some hospitals in the vicinity.

When we saw the protesters marching in the streets, we simply followed them. It was, in a way, a little dicey, because obviously there was raw emotion among them. There is also raw emotion on the part of the Uyghurs. So, we had to keep in mind safety and security. In fact, while we were shooting pictures for our report, some of the protesters turned to us and told us, "stop shooting, stop shooting."

We saw hundreds of Han Chinese holding sticks and pipes basically calling for severe punishment of the Uyghurs, who they say committed serious crimes during Sunday's deadly rioting.

The Han Chinese protesters also say they are out to defend themselves if they have to. I saw policemen and local officials trying to talk to them and convince the crowd to disperse. We haven't heard about any serious confrontations between the Han Chinese protesters and Uyghurs, but we heard that the police dispersed protesters in some places using tear gas. Watch how tensions remain high in Xinjiang »

When we got close to the Uyghur-populated area, we were stopped by the police and told to get in their jeeps. They said it was for our own safety. They probably were right. We may have been pushing our luck and could have gotten caught in potential confrontations and clashes.

Before that, we stopped and talked with a doctor in front of a small traditional Chinese hospital close to the People's Square. The doctor said the Han Chinese are trying to defend themselves. He was very angry about the violence reported on Sunday.

He said that they are fed up with what they saw, they felt that it was unspeakable that young people, old people and women were beaten up, helpless people who just happened to be in the wrong place. So there is this very visceral anger among many Han Chinese.

During the march on Tuesday, there were different groups, kind of in waves, marching through the streets. A few times they converged. I would say it was pretty spontaneous. Pent up emotions, boiling over.

Ethnic tensions run deep in this region, with minority groups such as the Uyghur Muslims complaining they are subjected to discrimination by the majority Han, despite government guarantees of equal rights. The Uyghurs say they've been victimized and that many of those killed in the recent violence were Uyghurs.

Local officials on Tuesday organized a press conference and they called in three ethnic Uyghur religious leaders who condemned Sunday's violence. The vice chairman of the Muslim Association said what happened on Sunday was against the spirit of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, and of Uyghur tradition and religion.

Right now (Wednesday morning), we are driving around Urumqi in a taxi and we see fairly light traffic. On our way we have seen anti-riot police taking positions in major intersections. This is a build-up from yesterday -- the arrival of reinforcements of People's Armed Police. I talked with a local official Wednesday morning. She told me that it is very important that they show they are in charge and that they are taking measures to ensure the safety of residents.

The local official told me this morning that, in a way, the protests on the part of the Han Chinese were probably unavoidable because people were looking to blow off steam, especially since the Internet has been down.

The Internet, in other circumstances, has played a role in allowing people to release pent-up anger. But without the Internet, many of the Chinese, especially the young, have bottled-up rage stoked by the images of violence they've seen in the Chinese media. The local authorities are urging residents to show restraint.

Wednesday morning, I saw a few people holding sticks but there were no signs of organized protests. I didn't see the kind of violence or antagonism I saw on Tuesday, but I think it is still a very fluid situation.

 

The fact that anybody thinks that picture 1 has a hidden subtext not present in picture 2 is evidence of PRCBot 2.0 Paranoia Enhancement Programming subroutines being hard-wired into their system. Paranoia as a result of insecurity - because they know deep down inside, they might not be able to trust what they have been told.

A neutral observer - such as myself - sees no difference of this, which is why I am able to see the glorious truth in living color. And it is both ugly and beautiful. I will continue to allow you to see it through my words.

 

They should let them open up casinos - chinese are as amenable to gambling as anybody, if not more so.

 

After all these years of operating casinos, the Natives still have some of the highest unemployment and are at the bottom of economic ladder and have the shortest expectancy in the U.S.

Ooops

Moreover, even if the Uyghurs are allowed to open casinos, they may not be able to attract many customers unless they first learn to leave their knives at their home kitchens.

Ooops again

But they can still do kebab I suppose ...

 

I traveled to Xinjiang when I was 14.

We took a train for 3 days and two nights, then stayed there for 2 weeks.
They had the best kebabs and grapes. The best thing is if you buy even 1 kebab, you get all-you-can-eat grapes. One of my friend ate so many kebabs that in the second week, his nose bleed four times a day. Their melons were also the best.
And they do sell knives everywhere, knives with leather scabbard, and the blacksmiths' name written on the bottom. I bought like 8 different knives but they were all small ones. My friend bought a long one with patterns on the blade. It was so cool but he was not allowed to carry it on our train back.
We went to Tianchi, Flame Mountain, and Iceberg #1 (I think that was the name). We climbed to the top of the iceberg and almost died there.
We played soccer with the local Uyghur boys and danced with the Uyghur girls. We tried to learn their neck tricks but looked like fools.

It was the best trip in my life.

 

See the previous poster - tourists love knives, I bought like 4. Yengisar Knives are world renowned.

 

Tourists sure love exotic looking knives, but I bet (no pun intended) gamblers don't like 'em at the tables.

 

Remind us what year was your trip.

 

2000 I believe.

 

That was when Rebiya Kadeer had not quite made name for Uyghur "freedom fighters" both in and outside of China.

 

I saw this in the New York Time. Very interesting. Check out the link to get a lot more good info on what's going on in that region.

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Rohan Gunaratna is a professor and head of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. His books include “Inside Al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror.”

Despite efforts by Beijing to restore piece, the simmering tension and sporadic violence between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese in Urumqi, the worst in China since 1949, is likely to remain a continuing source of instability and to spread beyond Xinjiang province.

The Chinese hard-line approach towards Uighur separatists fails to differentiate among terrorists, supporters and sympathizers. Instead of investing in community engagement initiatives, the Chinese government has detained several thousands of protesters.

The propaganda by the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), an Uighur separatist group associated with Al Qaeda, is driving the hatred and fueling the violence. The ETIM leadership, located in Waziristan on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, was responsible for a series of bombing both in Xinjiang and elsewhere in China in the lead-up to the Beijing Olympics.

Having received training, weapons, finance and ideology from Al Qaeda, ETIM members today fight both in tribal Pakistan and in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda-trained ETIM suicide bombers present a growing threat both to coalition forces in Afghanistan and to China. Al Qaeda ideologues have argued that after the defeat of the existing superpower, the U.S. forces, the next enemy of the Muslims will be the multiheaded dragon, a reference to China, the emerging superpower.

In addition to ETIM, a dozen Uighur separatist groups in the U.S., Canada and Europe are radicalizing the Uighur communities in China. Some of these groups have pushed for the release of the Uighur detainees held in Guantanamo Bay.

 

They could deal in drugs, like Native Americans.

But then again, WUC and ETIM is already claiming the Hans are purposely allowing drug problems among Uighurs spiral out of control (and some say, force poisoning them).

Nevermind...

 

^The selective bolding of that paragraph (and the subsequent post) regarding the ETIM, without regard for the paragraph two above that one illustrates precisely both:

1. What the previous paragraph says; and

2. My observation back on page 2

Art imitates Life imitates Art

 

How does a thread dealing with ethnic tensions, one group killing hundreds of another group, and the other group deciding to create a militia to do some killing of their own... degenerate into a discussion about selling exotic knives and opening casinos?

Further proof that people in the D&D discussing Chinese issues are just all whack. If there was a 2009 version of the Rodney King riot, I bet people here won't be discussing random BS like this and spend time discussing what on-scene photos mean, bias or western/Chinese media, etc. etc. etc.

 

This is terrible just terrible by China.