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ClutchFans 2009 NBA Draft Thread (6/25/2009)

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  1. Crudder

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    If Jameer gets fully healthy and playing at an all star level, that's a Big Five right there... almost unstoppable.
     
  2. Aruba77

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    what about the espn insider draft buzz piece that the rockets could end up picking 5 or 6? does anyone have access to this?
     
  3. Shunter

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    If they re-sign Turkoglu they will have an incredible wage bill. I guess the owners are hell bent on going one better than this season.
     
  4. J.R.

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    Maybe they do, I dont know. I think a lot of people, not just you, but get a knee jerk reaction when all these trade happens. First people said SA is the west team to beat, then last night, the Cavs are the team to beat, and now if this trade goes down, some will say Orlando is the team to beat. We cant crown a champ everytime someone makes a trade. Sure it looks good on paper but it matters what happens on the court. Slow down people, take time to inhale and exhale. Everyone, or most, are going crazy. Why?? And dont worry about the Rockets, you can expect them to be active. Im sure theyre on the phones as we speak.
     
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  5. Melechesh

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    Lebron's gonna cry.
    He should seriously consider moving to the West. :D
     
  6. RedRowdy111

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    It says in this scenerio that Turkoglu would walk in free agency.
     
  7. Egghead

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    News Update

    POSTED: June 25 -- 4:11 p.m. ET

    Carter
    Carter

    The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee, two league sources told ESPN.com.

    The talks have reached a point that a deal could be done by the end of the day Thursday, according to sources.

    For the full story, click here.

    Stoudemire
    Stoudemire

    POSTED: June 25 -- 4:09 p.m. ET

    Marc Stein: The Warriors' interest in Amare Stoudemire stretches back to February, when Phoenix first made Amare available. The Suns also like the idea of Golden State as a trading partner if they decide to go all the way with their Shaq-sized clearout and part with Amare, too.

    However ...

    One of my best sources on the subject tells me that any deal that potentially lands Stoudemire in Oakland would be "complicated," if you want to boil it down to one word.

    The implication is that it would be too complicated to get such a deal done tonight and involve the No. 7 pick.

    A comprehensive medical evaluation of Stoudemire's eye and microfracture-repaired knee is just one of the hurdles, I'm told. The Warriors would also need some assurances or at least strong hints that they can re-sign Amare next summer or hammer out an extension with him before he ever gets to free agency.

    So it's difficult to see how such a deal could go down in conjunction with the draft, in spite of genuine Suns interest in the likes of Andris Biedrins and the closest thing to an untouchable on the Warriors' roster: Anthony Randolph.

    Bottom line: I've been reasonably assured that Golden State will be picking for Golden State at No. 7 in tonight's first round ... unless some other unforseen deal materializes.

    I've also been warned by another Suns expert not to be surprised if they hang on to Amare and restore him to No. 1 option status under new coach Alvin Gentry, since Stoudemire flourishes in the up-tempo style Gentry has brought back and barely got a chance to play for Gentry because of the eye injury.

    The problem there, of course, is that Stoudemire could leave them with nothing as a 2010 free agent, which is why the Suns will continue to explore their Amare trade options.

    As for an Amare trade to Houston -- packaging Stoudemire and Leandro Barbosa to the Rockets for Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry and Tracy McGrady's mammoth expiring contract -- skepticism from sources with knowledge of both teams' thinking has been rather firm.

    POSTED: June 25 -- 4:03 p.m. ET


    J.A. Adande: The Chicago Bulls are attempting to work a trade with the New Jersey Nets for the No. 11 pick with an eye on Louisville shooting guard Terrence Williams, a league source said. The Bulls currently hold the 16th and 26th picks in the first round.

    • One reason teams such as the San Antonio Spurs are willing to move into luxury-tax range is the reward for staying below the tax won't be as large in the upcoming season. Last year teams that stayed below the luxury tax received $3 million each from their cut of the money put into the pot by the tax-paying teams. Next season, according to one team executive, the payout for the non-tax teams will be about $1.4 million. One reason for the decrease is that two of the top-paying tax teams from last season, the New York Knicks and Dallas Mavericks, will have much smaller payrolls this year. The Knicks' tax bill, for example, could drop by about $20 mill
     
  8. HOUastrocketexan

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?page=09DraftBuzz-090625


    News Update

    POSTED: June 25 -- 4:11 p.m. ET

    Carter
    Carter

    The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee, two league sources told ESPN.com.

    For the full story, click here.

    Stoudemire
    Stoudemire

    POSTED: June 25 -- 4:09 p.m. ET

    Marc Stein: The Warriors' interest in Amare Stoudemire stretches back to February, when Phoenix first made Amare available. The Suns also like the idea of Golden State as a trading partner if they decide to go all the way with their Shaq-sized clearout and part with Amare, too.

    However ...

    One of my best sources on the subject tells me that any deal that potentially lands Stoudemire in Oakland would be "complicated," if you want to boil it down to one word.

    The implication is that it would be too complicated to get such a deal done tonight and involve the No. 7 pick.

    A comprehensive medical evaluation of Stoudemire's eye and microfracture-repaired knee is just one of the hurdles, I'm told. The Warriors would also need some assurances or at least strong hints that they can re-sign Amare next summer or hammer out an extension with him before he ever gets to free agency.

    So it's difficult to see how such a deal could go down in conjunction with the draft, in spite of genuine Suns interest in the likes of Andris Biedrins and the closest thing to an untouchable on the Warriors' roster: Anthony Randolph.

    Bottom line: I've been reasonably assured that Golden State will be picking for Golden State at No. 7 in tonight's first round ... unless some other unforseen deal materializes.

    I've also been warned by another Suns expert not to be surprised if they hang on to Amare and restore him to No. 1 option status under new coach Alvin Gentry, since Stoudemire flourishes in the up-tempo style Gentry has brought back and barely got a chance to play for Gentry because of the eye injury.

    The problem there, of course, is that Stoudemire could leave them with nothing as a 2010 free agent, which is why the Suns will continue to explore their Amare trade options.

    As for an Amare trade to Houston -- packaging Stoudemire and Leandro Barbosa to the Rockets for Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry and Tracy McGrady's mammoth expiring contract -- skepticism from sources with knowledge of both teams' thinking has been rather firm.
     
  9. saleem

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    If they get VC,I expect an S/T with Hedo in order to get a true 4. They will get over the LT,yes.
     
  10. Melechesh

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    I always have faith in Morey. ;)
     
  11. beanball75

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    It just said we were "really active" talking to Minnesota, Oklahoma City, Sacramento and Memphis trying to shop TMac, Brook and mentioned Battier and Landry as possible trade chips. It also said we were talking to the Suns about Stoudemire.

    A more recent update was more interesting. It said that we offered Brooks and Battier to Memphis for the #2 pick and Marko Jaric.
     
  12. Aruba77

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    Thanks. Jaric, huh. I can remember a time when a lot of people on this board actually wanted that bum :)
     
  13. beanball75

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    I'm looking back and I can't find that one anymore. Maybe I saw it somewhere else or maybe they removed it.
     
  14. Melechesh

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    Is this old news? Thought I should post it here.


    The Suns and Rockets have denied that they've had discussions about a deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to the Rockets for a package that would include Tracy McGrady.
    However, there is now talk about trading Ben Wallace to the Hornets for Tyson Chandler. The salaries work, and the Hornets could benefit financially if Wallace retires or is bought out, while the Suns would get a much-needed starting center.
    Source: Arizona Republic

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NBA.aspx

    The deal blew off, or, "never happened".
     
  15. J.R.

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    You wouldnt want Jaric here with his hot wife or GF! You're crazy!! :eek:
     
  16. beanball75

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    Ok sorry, I found it. It was still there:

    The Grizzlies also are still shopping their pick, and one potential trade may persuade them to part with it. A source in Memphis says the Rockets have offered Shane Battier and Aaron Brooks for No. 2. The Grizzlies could send them the dreaded Marko Jaric contract back and save some face in the draft if they did it. Whom are the Rockets after? That is the question
     
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  19. Egghead

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    good read on Chase....hope we can draft him as a late 1st rounder
    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-41-145/What-Happened-to-Chase-Budinger-.html

    What Happened to Chase Budinger?

    June 25, 2009 9:51 AM

    At some point in the third or fourth hour of tonight's draft, you'll hear the name "Chase Budinger" announced -- quite possibly by Adam Silver, who usually presides over the second round. As recently as a year ago, Budinger was projected as a possible lottery pick. In his first two years Arizona, Budinger averaged 16.4 points and 5.6 rebounds per game. But his fortunes as a prospect slipped during his junior campaign. CelticsHub's Bryan Roy has covered the Wildcats for The Daily Wildcat over the past couple of seasons. He filed this report for TrueHoop on Budinger's strange tenure in Tucson.

    Chase BudingerChase Budinger: A long and winding road.
    (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)
    If your fantasy basketball league required every team to draft a crossbreed of Larry Bird and Napoleon Dynamite, your man is Chase Budinger, soon-to-be rookie from Arizona.

    Think Brendan Fraser in "Bedazzled.” The light-blond, lighter-skinned wing from Encinitas, Calif., looks like the ideal demographic for tetherball, Irish pubs and SPF 150 sunscreen.

    Arizona's hot, dry desert sun did all it could to burn Budinger. From all the off-court uncertainties of Lute Olson's retirement, to the promising Wildcats that transferred or ripped up signed Letters of Intent - the appearance of these past three years weren't exactly Arizona's prettiest era for Budinger to showcase his upside.

    In terms of athletic ability, the 6-foot-7 departing Wildcat was once described as the LeBron James of volleyball after a high school career that, had he kept playing, could have put him on USA Olympic team in 2008.

    Instead, Budinger opted to pursue basketball for Lute Olson, who called Budinger the most talented athlete he ever coached. Coming from the Founder, Director and CEO of Point Guard U, the bar was sky-high. But these were his realistic and most basic goals to complete before the NBA came calling:

    1) Beat his home state powerhouse UCLA.
    2) Make a deep NCAA Tournament run.
    3) Hone his raw athletic ability into NBA-ready talent.

    Budinger arrived at Arizona surrounded by the modern-day Five Star Freshman Hype Hoopla. Fans anticipated that Budinger would restore the pre-2005 brand of Arizona basketball and eliminate the funk of underachieving, low-character players. (Related story: Marcus Williams and Mustafa Shakur both left for the NBA and graduated, respectively, after the 2006-2007 season.)

    After individually satisfying freshman and sophomore seasons - he averaged 16.4 points and 5.6 rebounds per game as an underclassman - Budinger's team goals still left an empty pit in a hungry Wildcat Faithful's collective stomach. From 2006-2008, the Wildcats had:

    1) Been embarrassed by UCLA (0-4 vs. the Bruins).
    2) Lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament (both times).
    3) Not seen Budinger lead them when it mattered most.

    Fans wondered when Big-Game Budinger would arrive on campus. By 2009, the No. 34 Budinger jerseys were destined to hit the UA Bookstore's clearance rack regardless of his decision to turn pro this summer. The shot clock of expectations expired.

    A senior season for Budinger would've meant the McDonald's All-American (he earned co-MVP honors with Kevin Durant) lost ground during his junior campaign. In the star-studded 2008 NBA Draft, projections listed Budinger as a late first-round to early second-round selection. A significantly weaker 2009 Draft meant Budinger could've just tread water and still moved up in the rankings.

    There wasn't much water in the desert to tread. By his junior year, Arizona needed (and expected) Budinger to step up both as a leader and dominant force in the Pac-10 if it wanted any hope at continuing the school's most coveted statistic of 25 straight NCAA Tournament appearances.

    Our first glimpse of it came after Arizona's embarrassing loss to UAB. After Jamelle Horne Superman-dove to commit a foul at halfcourt in a tie game with seconds left in regulation, the mood in the locker room was uncomfortably somber. Reporters pretended to scribble down notes and avoid eye contact while players showered and shot blank stares into the trophies along wall.

    After Horne came out of the shower, a few of us headed over to ask: What the hell were you thinking? (He later said it was a miscommunication). Budinger, who watched the entire scene unfold, quickly told us to back off. It wasn't anything rude or out of line, Budinger just took a big brother role to Horne, a sophomore visually upset with unthinkable foul.

    It showed a lot of guts and spoke volumes on Budinger's unspoken leadership part, I wrote the next day. Just like that, he became the guy that glued together a wounded and abandoned 2008-09 team that was "rocked to the core” after Olson suddenly retired days before the season.

    Midway through the season, however, once Budinger suffered through his Second Annual "Where's Chase?” Midseason Shooting Slump when he averaged 10.5 points in a four-game span, fans couldn't help but wake up in a cold sweat, recalling recent Wildcats that derailed into the same trend. Those five-star high school recruits that never blossomed became weeds after four very, very dry years in the scorching desert.

    Can't say I've seen anybody on campus wearing a Shakur jersey, or be willing to spend $75 on one.

    Had the Budinger III failed, maybe you could give the kid a free pass from an obvious scapegoat: Arizona's brilliant back-to-back interim head coaches strategy. It's a sure-fire way to stun the growth and development of 18-year-old AAU phonemes that, in tern, develop everything but team leadership.

    Then, all those what-ifs evaporated when Aubrey Coleman came to town and earned himself a future Christmas Card from the Budinger family.

    The infamous Coleman Face Stomp 2009 broke Budinger out of his soft-spoken shell. After Houston's go-to guy slammed his foot into Budinger's courtside face after the whistle, Budinger sprung up with Mike Tyson-esque fury and fire.

    Later that game, with under one minute to play, Arizona overcame a 10-point deficit to win in overtime. The pivotal (literally, Coleman planted his pivot foot into Budinger's left temple) moment saved the Wildcats' season, started an seven-game winning streak and put Arizona on the national radar for good reasons.

    Budinger's decision to return for his junior season paid dividends. Sure we saw him put up lines like 20, 10, and five against teams like Oregon State, but it was his 20 points, eight rebounds and four steals against No. 5-seeded Utah in the opening round of the NCAA Tournament solidified his legacy at Arizona -- or at least, avoided a negative one. The Sweet 16 banner that gets raised into the McKale Center rafters will have Budinger's finger prints all over it.

    After an exhausting three-year span of Olson, Kevin O'Neill and Russ Pennell, Budinger enters his second go-around of the summer pre-Draft workouts with his trifecta:

    1) Killing UCLA at home. (84-72 win)
    2) Reaching the Sweet 16 after barely earning an at-large bid (No. 10 seed).
    3) Developing the crucial mental game in pressure situations.

    Beyond his final junior year line -- 18.0 points, 6.2 rebounds in 37.6 minutes per game -- Budinger picked up a missing intangible that would've set his professional ceiling at "D-League All-Star” if he hadn't returned to Arizona and met those goals after his sophomore season.

    I'm no professional scout or basketball talent expert, but it's obvious that the mental part of Budinger's game was his missing component after watching two full seasons of his style. He needs confidence to knock down his jump shots.

    His ballhandling skills are much improved. Budinger can use his length and ups as an oversized 2 or 3 in the NBA. Most importantly, he can use Arizona's adversities when the don't-take-it-personal business deals go through at the professional level.

    It's been a crazy three years, symbolically parallel to a signature Arizona pool party, where students (yes of course, that includes athletes) have always showed off bronze bodies in the No. 34 jersey. Soon, a new Budinger jersey will once again be on "new items” rack. And that's something fans can be excited about.
     
  20. magnetik

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    How bout we take her instead?

    We don't need anyone on the team with name that rhymes with Darko.. kinda like not buying any electronics with manufacturer name that rhymes with Voltron. It will never work. Adriana Lima? we can make one exception :)
     

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