Don't think even JVG could put together 53 wins in the current western conference

You must forget that JVG had a 13 man hole in his roster; as in, Jimmy Jackson was his third best player.

 

Ding, ding.


I haven't understood all the RA hate myself.


All over the NBA shows, ESPN, TNT, etc... they are mentioning Adelman as a possible COY...


That does not happen, getting put on the top 3 Coach of the Year lists, on accident.

Adelman is still Rick the Ruler!

 

I'm not sure Adelman or JVG have what it takes to get a team into elite status. I know Rick has done it before but he just doesn't seem as effective as he did in his Portland and Sacramento days. It just feels like he has lost his feel for the game.

 

I think Adelman is a great coach. I just think he is isn't the best choice for this team. Our offense needs to run through Yao and apparently Adelman can't devise a way to get him the ball when he is fronted.

We weren't even trying to get him the ball in the 3rd quarter, we just ran a 4 man offense. It was one of the most frustrating things I've seen sports-wise. Yao's on fire and we can't even get him the ****ing ball.

 

What team has ever been able to win with two all-stars and a steaming pile of **** around them. Can you name a non-Jordan team? I don't think so. JVG was giving significant minutes to such quality players as Juwan Howard and Bonzi Wells. Jake Tsakalidis was playing more than 10 minutes a game.

Also, remember how we continued to get completely screwed by the refs in Utah.

 

Those Jordan teams weren't anywhere near a steaming pile of garbage. Grant/Rodman/etc. would be Marions or better in today's league. They didn't have slouches for guards/centers either.

 

you guys keep mentioning the 20mil dollar hole. wasnt artest brought in as insurance in case yao or tmac gets hurt for the season? he wasnt brought in to form our own big three. he was brought in to pick up the slack if one of our two stars got injured. so no, jvg would probably have a better record because he knows what to do, and makes great plays and employs great defense.

also, during jvg's tenure, you only had tmac and yao. your best player after those two were battier, and juwan howard before battier came in. imagine if jvg had scola, landry, brooks, von wafer, lowry and Artest back then. id bet you every team out there would be scared at us. a defensive minded coach with deke, chuck, battier and artest on one team and then you have a dominant center, a great SG when healthy and a pair of underrated but offense difference making pair of scolandry.

and also, this is probably the worst western conference in recent history! only one team really stands out, LA. the rest arent really at par with their previous iterations. San antonio has a banged up duncan/ginobili most of the season. utah's banged up as well and out of sorts when playing out there. dallas has been a joke ever since their fall from grace. new orleans only has chris paul going for them. portland is strong and deep but relatively young. denver hasnt been taken seriously until billups came.

in the past years when jvg was still coach, all these playoffs teams had chances at going to the finals. houston was the only team that looked bad on paper but managed to get to the finals every single time except when both yao and tmac got injured. he made the rockets overachieve every single year.

so again, no. jvg would have had a better record with this team and would probably be in the championship conversation along with LA.

 

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It's really not as good as the past few years. Denver at 2nd? We could easily beat that team in a 7 game series. Mavericks have fallen and same have the Suns. Hornets are overrated and won't win anything. Lakers are the only true threat.

I believe though.

 

What's funny is JVG had four seasons with Yao to work out a solution for when he's being fronted yet Adelman is at fault for not having figured this out.

 

Jake getting more than 10 minutes a game? Uh... that stat has more meaning than it shows. He didn't play ever game; he only played garbage minutes.

Bonzi Wells getting significant minutes? HAHA. Were you watching? He was on the sidelines on a stationary bike.

Funny you mention Bonzi, because he proves Rick is a great coach. If Jeff stayed, there was no way Bonzi would have stayed and picked up his player option with 2 million. Rick comes in; Bonzi saw an opportunity to regain his reputation. Then bam... his trade value goes up; we get Bobby. Who in returns, turn into Artest. So all this talk about, Oh... Jeff would win a lot more with this talent is just bogus. First of all, with Jeff, there would be no Artest. Second of all, even with Artest, I doubt Jeff could have won 53 games without Tracy, or 22 straight games with Yao out half of it.

 

you guys are forgetting something.

during JVG era, we got CD as GM. Adelman has Morey...

we are way talented then when JVG was the head coach. our bench our team is better, therefore I give more credits to Morey than Adelman.

He still a good coach but sometime his in game adjustments are questionable.

 

I agree with your analogy and think that although we lost Tmac, the team is overachieving while RA is underachieving. For many it is hard to separate what the team achieves from RA.

But while I think JVG would have done better with this group of players, going back to an old coach is like getting back with an old girlfriend. 95% of those never work out the second time around either, so it may be better to just look elsewhere.

But RA has to put out in the playoffs now, or get shipped out afterwards. Even without Tmac, this team should not be another first round exit team. That would be unachieving just as much if not more than all the previous seasons. Not having Tmac is no scapegoat for RA.

 

When a young player develops, the one to praise is the GM and the coach.

Jeff's weak points is not developing players to their full potential. He tends to get the young players for his system. Example? Luther Head and V-Span.

Luther has amazing athleticism. He never showed that except for that dunk on Ronnie Turiaf. V-Span complained that he is not a shooter, yet he played a shooter for Jeff.

Landry, I praise Jack Sikma and Rick for him. Morey got him, but after the summer leagues, a poster from this forum met him and asked about him, Morey was apparently very disappointed in Landry. But... after quite a while, Landry turned out to be a steal.

Brooks seems to be Rick's player. Apparently, Rick watched a lot of Oregon games when he was unemployed.

 

When a rookie Chuck Hayes is a starter under one regime, and now third on the depth chart under another - it's a sign that the team has gotten deeper.

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