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kobe vs mac vs bron vs artest

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by legacygt777, Feb 8, 2009.

  1. legacygt777

    legacygt777 Member

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    i got a great chance to see bron and kobe play. it's really interesting cause i've seen both stars (k and l) this year a lot and you'll find that both in most cases:

    1) run the plays in which there are lots of ball movement and passes
    2) kobe plays an inside post game inside as well as shooting jumpers
    3) lebron and kobe don't really jack up 3's...they stick with the game plan
    4) shot selection just seems better

    is this a coach, player thing? both? what do you think? i see both tmac and artest just play some 1 on 1 a lot compared to superstars....
     
  2. t_mac1

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    lebron plays EXACTLY like tracy used to play under JVG (except bron takes it to the rack more) -> lots of pick and rolls (A TON IN FACT)

    kobe's and bron's shot selections are better??? lol. watch how tough their shots are. they just make them.

    tracy used to make his tough shots at a rate like those 2 and that's why he was considered one of the 5 best in the game. now he can't so he's not as good. it's that simple. tracy right now has got to take better shots (mid-range) to elevate his game again b/c his athleticism/explosiveness isn't what they once were.

    ron artest was never this good so i don't know why you even compare them.
     
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    i really think kobe makes better shot selections cuz he seems to be closer to the basket...we see tmac do a lot of out side jumpers. tmac works great when he plays defense and just takes it to the rack.


     
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    look at the boston game. he was just jacking up ridiculous outside shots v. paul pierce in the 4th and OT and made a lot of them. kobe's taking 4 3s per game this year. the past few years, he's been taking 5-7 3s a game. so again, kobe's jumper is just better than tracy's. both take very tough shots.

    tracy isn't as good now so he needs to go inside more, get to the line, and take better shots. he should only take tough shots when he's hot or in a rhythm.
     
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    How in the heck did Ron Artest get into the conversation? I cringe when Artest tries to bring the ball up the floor. His dribbling is so not fluid.
     
  6. Shaud

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    Kobe shot selection is the same as T-mac. Kobe takes a lot of tough shots.

    Difference is, Kobe makes them more than T-mac does.

    Lebron takes it to the rack more, he will take some contested jumpshots but not as much as T-mac and Kobe.

    Not sure why Ron is even in the discussion lol.
     
  7. tinman

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    artest is a better spot up shooter than a creator of his own shot.

    tmac is better when the flow of the offense comes to him,
    I don't like tmac's one-on-one game at all.
    he's a streak shooter like maxwell without the technical fouls and the defensive intensity. when tmac's on fire he's hard to stop, however he can't rely on streak shooting. he has more skills than that, he can drive it and post up shorter players. plus he's a good passer.

    sometimes he needs to get that 'scoring champ' mode off and concentrate on just 'champ' mode
     
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    i think that's what tracy needs to understand. he has so much skill that as his athleticism is declining, he can still be an elite player if he changes his game more to the mid-range mode (more post ups, more curls, take open 3s, get to the line for fts). he's getting to that slowly. and hopefully he'll stay that way.
     
  9. SuperStar

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    The difference is kobe and lebron play off the ball while Tmac just stands at the 3pt line if he doesn't have the rock. Kobe's shot selection is about the same as Tmac except he makes them. I don't even know why Ron is in the discussion, he's more of a defensive specialist wannabe scorer.
     
  10. legacygt777

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    artest was brought in the topic because he does a lot of 1 on 1 and scores a lot of points on a good night.

    i think the play selection for ron's skills are not as good as they should.

    as long as tmac plays 1 on 1, any quicker defender can just cut his angle to the hoop and make him take a long jumper. your odds of that jumper making it are low.
     
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    1on1s are necessary to create better shots for your teammates and yourself. Every team has 1-2 players that go 1on1 often.

    All you need to do is beat your opponent with a quick first step and even if they are quicker, it's hard for them to recover. When the second player comes to rotate to help, then you pass it to the open teammate.
     
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    The problem of the entire Yao / T-mac era is this.

    There's no balanced scoring. Yao and T-mac are relied on too much.
    Yao gets into foul trouble or we can't get him the ball.

    Tmac then forces too many shots and gets tired by the 4th quarter.

    Rick Adelman was brought in to bring a more balanced attack so our star players could finish games in the playoffs.

    Which they have not proved they could do yet.

    trust and chemistry and health are the most important things for the Rockets.
     
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    not putting blame on anybody...this is just a general statement:

    I have problems with people who have players as their usernames because I can already expect an unbiased perspective.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    Yeah I am the same when I see people with Asian names. I shouldn't really do that but it's a bad habit.
     
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    Yeah I am the same when I see people with American names. I shouldn't really do that but it's a bad habit.
     
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    You're pretty good at breakdowns when you stay out the 80's time warp :D
     
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    This must be T-mac fans's mind,
    I do not think there is comparability

    Kobe and Tracy McGrady is not a level, and LeBron is the enhanced version of Ron Artest, speed and bounce
     
  18. SuperStar

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    Don't do it Shaud. Don't be bias against yourself!
     
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    :D I am my biggest critic ;)
     
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    R&B was so much better in the 80s.
    :D

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