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The only realistic TMAC trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. oldman

    oldman Contributing Member

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    Caron Butler/Agent 0 for T-mac would be ideal.
     
  2. YAOMACREAL

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    T-mac+James for Bibby + Martin
     
  3. Rock_Johnson

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    I promise tmac doesnot want to be traded.

    if happened, he would be depressed and not pleased to play for any team . I promise.

    every GM knows this , so if you were a GM, do you want such a player?
     
  4. pasox2

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    Tmac for Artest, Martin and filler

    Tmac for Hinrich, Deng and Smith.
     
  5. Jonhty

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    Bulls wouldn't part with Deng for Kobe... No way Bulls would do it for Tmac.
     
  6. luzhiling29

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    Yao for Bynum + Odom.
     
  7. trugoy

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    Rule No 1. No team will trade their best player for TMAC

    Rule No 2. No team will build around TMAC for a title.

    Everyone is underestimating the salary dump option. In the summer of 2011 Lebron/Carmelo/Wade/ will love to come to houston because of the extra endorsement dollars from the china connection, being in Houston would at least probably more than make up for the money they would give up being in their current team. You think Nike doesn't want Lebron in Houston?

    Given their current teams, it is unlikely any of them will get a championship by that stage, so pursuing them would be priority number 1, the team should try to build the team so everyone expires that summer.
     
  8. trugoy

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    If NJ is trading kidd, it means that they are rebuilding and they would want draft picks + expiring contracts, they would not take tmac, unless a third team became involved.
     
  9. trugoy

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    sac would not give up martin

    bulls would not give up deng.

    no team will give up their best player for tmac.
     
  10. trugoy

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    No team wants to build around tmac as their best player
     
  11. aggie87

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    YAO AND TMAC WILL NEVER BE TRADED!!!! we wont ever recieve what we think is fair market value, we will continue to use our mle every year to find a 3rd guy and if we don't ever find one, which we probably wont, then we go into rebuilding mode once the tmac-yao era is over
     
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    Lets face it, both tracy and yao are sad excuses for franchise players. infact they dont have the qualities that is requierd for a franchise player. tracy has the skills and the game, but not the heart.

    Iwould trade him for inferior talent and player like Iverson who has more leadership skills in he's pinky them mcgrady has in hes entier body.
     
  13. CVcrew

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    Tmac straight up for Kobe... don't like the guy as a person but his attitude and killer mentality is what this team is missing. If not off Battier for Artest.
     
  14. Achilleus

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    McGrady will not be traded. If McGrady and the Rockets really make you angry then you should find another team or stop watching basketball. What's the point in investing time in something that upsets you so much?
     
  15. Pringles

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    if we still want to be in win-now mode, i'd say washington or nets.

    i would trade t-mac, battier, hayes and a 1st round pick for jamison and butler.
    i would trade Tracy McGrady, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Mike James for jefferson and kidd.
     
  16. kwng

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    Anything trade now will get us the equivalent talent and why considering trade so early when we can bench them first. Let's try benching them and start AB (call him back from NBDL), Head, Synder, Bonzi, Scola.
     
  17. kwng

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    I mean any trade now will be fair to us or we will not get an equivalent value back
     
  18. ROXTXIA

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    Hate to say it, but we gotta do something.

    Our superstar, well, yes, he gets hurt from time to time, but to me, he just doesn't give a crap. He happens to be freakishly good at the game but he doesn't have the heart or drive to do anything with it.

    If TMac were paired with another top talent, one who might at least drive him to push himself every once in awhile, then he might win it all. He just has that Ate-Dinner-At-Black-Eyed-Pea (chicken fried steak, mashed potatoes, fried okra, hot rolls and cornbread) carbohydrate coma lethargy out there.

    Maybe he is burned out with being the only talent stepping up on this team. As goes TMac, so goes the team.

    Hate to say it, folks, but we aren't going anywhere with this team. ANYWHERE. Shake it up, blow it up, whatever.

    My boss is a Texans fan. Never complains much when they underachieve. Just kinda happy to have a football team to watch. I am NOT the same way when it comes to the Rockets.

    Morey better have December 15th circled on the calendar.
     
  19. poprocks

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    To get someone good you have to give up someone good. Not sure T-Mac helps us that much come playoff time. Personally, I'd take Chris Paul for T-Mac. He's young enough and is all upside. Arenas is another chucker.


    http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/pointguards1_15.html

    Player Rankings: Point Guards (1-15)


    1. Gilbert Arenas - Washington Wizards
    Age: 23 Height: 6'3'' Weight: 191 School: Arizona Years: 5 Role: Starting PG


    Gilbert is the perfect fantasy point guard. He won’t just give you prototypical point guard stats; he’ll dominate them. Filling the stat sheet with points, threes and steals is the norm for the lightning quick All-Star, and he just keeps getting better and better. It seems as though there is no ceiling for this guy, as he improves his game in nearly every aspect every year. A deadly sharpshooter from the outside, Arenas can also use his quickness to drive to the hoop or nail down a mid-range jumper. Putting the ball in the basket isn’t his only saving grace, though. He’s improved his court-vision during the last few seasons and will dish out around six assists per game. The best part of his game, however, has to be his free throw shooting. Much like Dwyane Wade, Arenas is adept at drawing fouls on his way to the basket. Not many can match his 82 percent from the line in 10 free throw attempts per game.

    Bottom Line: He might not be the best assist guy in the group of elite PG, but he certainly makes up for that with his dominance in other categories. As a very low risk, high reward player, consider yourself lucky if you find him anywhere outside of the first round this season.

    2. Chris Paul - New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets
    Age: 21 Height: 6'0'' Weight: 175 School: Wake Forest Years: 1 Role: Starting PG


    After an impressive rookie campaign, it is clear that Chris Paul is the future of the point guard position. With seemingly limitless potential, the kid averaged 16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 2.2 steals and 0.6 threes in his rookie season. Simply put, this kid is good…real good. Not only does he contribute in nearly every category but he also shoots a high percentage from the line (85 percent). He also showed the ability to get to the charity stripe often with six free throw attempts per game. Paul’s stats are favorably comparable to a young Jason Kidd, only with more offensive firepower. His three-point shooting was the only disappointment in 2005-06, but he’s a technically sound shooter and should improve in that area this year.

    Bottom Line: This will be the last time you will be able to acquire Paul outside of the first round. He’ll likely go after guys like Iverson and Nash but could easily outperform both. Grab him in the second and enjoy first round production.

    3. Allen Iverson - Philadelphia 76ers
    Age: 31 Height: 6'0'' Weight: 165 School: Georgetown Years: 10 Role: Starting PG


    Trade or no trade, Allen Iverson will score, steal, dish and knock down free throw after free throw no matter where he plays. As of press time, the trade rumors have died down, and he’s one of those players that will have similar value regardless of what uniform he’s wearing. In his second year at the point, Iverson continued to prove that he’s not just a gunner. His 7.4 assists per game ranked eighth in the NBA, and his improved shot-selection led to a much-improved 44.7 shooting percentage from the floor. Always a top-notch thief, Iverson uses his quickness, anticipation and tough on-ball defensive pressure to create around two steals per game. Don’t forget about his brilliant free throw shooting, either. During the last two seasons, Iverson has shot higher than 80 percent from the line while attempting nearly 11 shots from the stripe per game. His three-point shooting isn’t spectacular, but he’s kept it respectable by averaging more than a three per game for eight straight seasons.

    Bottom Line: If there is anything to worry about, it’s that Iverson’s intense style of play can lead to a variety of injuries, but he is one of the biggest warriors in the game and will play through pain if he’s physically able to so. Take the high turnovers with a grain of salt as Iverson will put you near the top of the standings in points, assists and steals.

    4. Steve Nash - Phoenix Suns
    Age: 32 Height: 6'3'' Weight: 195 School: Santa Clara Years: 10 Role: Starting PG


    Not since John Stockton have we seen a player dominate the assist category the way Steve Nash has during the last two seasons. A nice contrast to the new wave of high-scoring point guards, Nash is an old-school player with a pass-first mentality. Aside from his crisp passing abilities, Nash’s greatest strength lies in his ability to get down the court quickly and lead the fast break. Even if Amare Stoudemire isn’t 100 percent to start the season, we can realistically expect Nash to lead the league in assists for a third straight season. With Joe Johnson in Atlanta and Amare on the shelf, Nash took on more point scoring responsibilities last season and responded with a career-high 18.8 points per game. Impressively, he did this without sacrificing the other aspects of his game. His 10.5 assists per game were down from 11.5 in 2004-05 but still led the league by a large margin. He also picked up the slack on the boards, putting up a career-high 4.2 rebounds per game. If there’s anything to complain about, it’s his lack of steals from the point guard spot. The Canadian has never averaged more than a steal a game and doesn’t figure to do so at this point in his career. No need to worry, though, Nash more than makes up for his lack of steals by shooting more than 50 percent from the floor and 90 percent from the line.

    Bottom Line: Nagging injuries are frustrating and we can a expect a modest regression in points, threes and boards if Amare returns to form, but Nash will still be a dominant fantasy point guard.

    5. Jason Kidd - New Jersey Nets
    Age: 33 Height: 6'4'' Weight: 210 School: California Years: 12 Role: Starting PG


    A few years ago, Jason Kidd was a sure fire first round draft pick in fantasy drafts. Last year, injury concerns dropped his stock to the point where he was found hanging around in the second or even third rounds. When healthy, Kidd is one of the top point guards (if not the best) in the NBA. Those who nabbed him in the third round last season were rewarded with 13.3 points, 7-plus rebounds, 8-plus assists, nearly two steals and 1.7 threes per game. You will have to endure the dismal field goal percentage, but he’ll make you happy as he flirts with triple-doubles on a nightly basis. He’s not shy about involving his teammates and with proven scorers like Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson and even Nenad Krstic on his side, he’ll come close to challenging Steve Nash for the league lead in assists this season.

    Bottom Line: Don’t be fooled, even at 33 years of age, Kidd still has a few good years left in the tank. Draft him with confidence in the second round despite his injury concerns.

    6. Chauncey Billups - Detroit Pistons
    Age: 29 Height: 6'3'' Weight: 202 School: Colorado Years: 9 Role: Starting PG


    After three solid seasons as Larry Brown’s protégé, Chauncey Billups took his game to the next level in new head coach Flip Saunders’ up-tempo offense. Billups posted career highs in points (18.5), assists (8.6), threes (2.3) and free throw attempts (6.4) with Saunders at the helm. The points and threes were to be expected, but nobody could foresee the increase of nearly three assists per game. With the assist totals climbing, Billups has gone from solid fantasy starter to fantasy stud in just one season. Other than Big Ben Wallace leaving town, the Pistons are virtually the same tea, and since Wallace didn’t offer much on the offensive end, Billups should be expected to shoulder the same offensive load in 2006-07. We’d love to see more steals, but the domination in threes and his near 90 percent shooting from the line will make up for his lack of thefts.

    Bottom Line: Draft Billups with four categories in mind: points, assists, threes and free throw percentage. He’ll dominate those areas but needs to improve his field goal percentage and steal totals in order to be mentioned in the same breath as the rest of the elite fantasy point guards.

    7. Mike Bibby - Sacramento Kings
    Age: 28 Height: 6'2" Weight: 190 School: Arizona Years: 8 Role: Starting PG


    While not as flashy as some of his counterparts, Mike Bibby is as solid as they come among fantasy point guards. In 2005-06, Bibby became the go-to-guy on the offensive end for the Kings and responded with career highs in points (21.1) and three pointers (2.3). The points and threes were nice, but Bibby’s assist totals dropped from 6.8 to 5.4 and his thefts dropped from 1.6 per game to 1.0. The numbers didn’t change much once Ron Artest joined the squad, but his steals improved in the second half, perhaps because Ron-Ron’s tough defense forced more errant passes. Though he won’t dominate any particular category, he’ll contribute favorably in points, assists, threes, steals and the percentages.

    Bottom Line: Underrated for years, Bibby has now propelled himself into fantasy stardom with his newfound ability to put the ball in the basket. He’s rarely injured and is a very solid number one point guard that can be found in the third round of your fantasy draft.

    8. Jason Terry - Dallas Mavericks
    Age: 28 Height: 6'2'' Weight: 180 School: Arizona Years: 7 Role: Starting PG


    After a dismal first season in Big D, Jason Terry turned his game up a notch and helped lead the Mavericks to the NBA Finals in 2005-06. Back in 2004-05, Terry found himself in Don Nelson’s doghouse, averaging just 30 minutes per game. When Avery Johnson took over, his playing time increased and his stats followed suit. With Nellie out of the picture, Terry averaged 35 minutes per game and responded with 17.1 points, 3.8 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.1 three pointers per game in 2006-07. Although most of his stats came back to his career norms, Terry’s assists completely dropped off the table. It’s a trend that should continue into next season, as Terry acts as more of a shooting guard than a point guard in Avery Johnson’s offensive game-plan. In fact, Terry actually led the team in assists with just 3.8 per game, and the Mavs averaged just 18.0 assists per game on the season. As a matter of reference, the New York Knicks averaged a league-worst 17.9 assists per game. With point guard Devin Harris coming into his own, Terry might find himself playing the two more often than not this season. With this in mind, Terry’s point scoring and threes should remain high but don’t expect his assists to improve anytime soon.

    Bottom Line: Assists or not, Terry is still a valuable fantasy commodity. He’ll contribute heavily in points, threes and steals while keeping his percentages and turnovers respectable. Add in some bonus points in leagues that count turnovers, Terry averaged just 1.7 turnovers per game last season.

    9. Kirk Hinrich - Chicago Bulls
    Age: 25 Height: 6'3" Weight: 190 School: Kansas Years: 3 Role: Starting PG/SG


    A rising star in the NBA, Kirk Hinrich has everything you are looking for in a fantasy point guard. Solid point totals (15.9) to go along with 6.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.6 threes and 81.5 percent from the free throw line. Hey, that makes for a nice number one point guard in fantasy leagues. Though he is young and has the ability to improve his numbers, Hinrich actually took a step backwards last season. Sure, he shot better from the floor (41.8 percent), but his steals and threes took a hit while his points and assists remained the same. For that, we can blame the Bulls deep bench, which allows Scott Skiles to limit his starters to less than 40 minutes per game. In fact, Hinrich led the Bulls in minutes with an average of 36.5 minutes per game. He’s the point guard version of Pau Gasol, circa 2004-05. Great talent, great player but never sees more than 40 minutes per game. With that in mind, it’s hard to get too excited about Hinrich’s upside. Despite this, there is reason for optimism. The Bulls are a young team on the rise, and Hinrich is their ringleader. He’ll have plenty of finishers to dish to, including Luol Deng, Ben Gordon and the freakish Tyrus Thomas, which should lead to an increase in his assist totals in 2006-07.

    Bottom Line: As he gains experience in his fourth professional season, we can expect Hinrich to improve on his numbers across the board. If you miss out on some of the top tier PG’s, Hinrich is a fine option as a number one fantasy point guard.

    10. Stephon Marbury - New York Knicks
    Age: 29 Height: 6'2'' Weight: 200 School: Georgia Tech Years: 10 Role: Starting PG/SG


    Categorizing Marbury’s 2005-06 season as a down year would be an understatement. A year-long feud with head coach Larry Brown didn’t help his cause as Marbury’s minutes and production dropped off the table. While 16.3 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.1 steals and 0.6 threes per game isn’t terrible, it’s well below his career averages of 20.2 points, 8.1 assists, 1.3 steals and 1.2 threes per game. Nobody knows how Isaiah Thomas will fare as the head coach of the Knicks, but one thing is for sure, he’s going to give Marbury plenty of freedom on the court. Many will call into question Marbury’s ability to lead a team, but fantasy owners should care about one thing and one thing only: stats. There is no question that Marbury has the tools to put up monster fantasy lines and with Thomas letting him run, he should return to form in 2006-07. There is still plenty of risk here, including the fact that the Knicks have two gunners in the backcourt in Steve Francisand Jamal Crawford. Marbury becomes a nice high risk, high reward gamble after last season’s debacle.

    Bottom Line: Once a top-five fantasy point guard, Marbury’s downfall will probably drive down his asking price in fantasy drafts this season.

    Update: The more I think about it, the more Marbury becomes a steal in fantasy drafts this year. “Starbury” is going in the fourth round in early fantasy drafts, where he becomes a major steal. Expect a big bounce back season and draft accordingly.

    11. Tony Parker - San Antonio Spurs
    Age: 24 Height: 6'2'' Weight: 180 School: France Years: 5 Role: Starting PG


    Parker stepped up his play in his fifth full season, setting career highs in points (18.9) and field goal percentage (.548). He isn’t the best assist man (5.8) and won’t hit any threes (0.1), but his 54.8 percent on 14.2 shots per game blows away the competition. His high percentage from the floor is largely due to his reluctance to shoot the three ball. Parker knows his limits and doesn’t attempt many three point shots, thus keeping his field goal percentage high. Like many of his teammates, Parker is a good defender and is adept at stepping in the passing lanes to create at least a steal a game. Parker is still young so he has plenty of upside, but he’ll have to improve on his free throw percentage (.707) and three pointers to move into elite status.

    Bottom Line: With the Spurs lineup virtually unchanged, Tony Parkershould continue to be a solid fantasy performer. He’ll contribute in points, assists, field goal percentage and steals and makes for a fine number one point guard in fantasy leagues.

    Update: No need to worry about the broken finger that kept him out of the FIBA World Championships as Parker is looking very sharp during the early stages of training camp.

    12. Andre Miller - Denver Nuggets
    Age: 30 Height: 6'2'' Weight: 200 School: Utah Years: 7 Role: Starting PG


    After a few years marred in fantasy mediocrity, Andre Miller returned to prominence in Denver under the direction of head coach George Karl. Miller’s outstanding play had fantasy owners flashing back to 2001-02 when he was one of the league’s premier assist men. The emergence of Carmelo Anthony as the go-to-guy certainly helped as Miller upped his assists from 6.9 to 8.2 per game. Much in the mold of Tony Parker, Miller’s field goal percentage remains high due to the lack of range on his jump-shot. Knowing his limitations, he attempted only 0.3 three pointers per game last year, a trend that should keep his field goal percentage in the .460-.470 range. Always a top notch thief, Miller has put up more than a steal per game in each of his six NBA seasons. He’s also an above average rebounder for a guard as he has averaged more than 4 boards per game in each of his last six seasons.

    Bottom Line: Due to his mediocre performances since leaving Cleveland after the 2001-02 season, Miller is still a bit underrated in fantasy leagues. Scoop him up after all the big names are gone, and you’ll have yourself a quality fantasy point guard.

    13. Baron Davis - Golden State Warriors
    Age: 27 Height: 6'3'' Weight: 223 School: UCLA Years: 7 Role: Starting PG


    Baron Davisis truly one of the most exciting and entertaining players in the NBA, that is, when he’s on the court. There was a time when Davis was considered an iron-man of sorts as he hadn’t missed a single game in his first three seasons in the league. Unfortunately, he is now known as one of the most injury prone players after missing considerable time during the last four years. Despite his injury history, Davis is big-time when he’s on the court, averaging 17.9 points, 8.9 assists, 1.6 steals and 1.9 threes per game last season. These are the types of numbers Davis can put up if he’s fully recovered from the various injuries that have kept him out of action. Aside from the injuries, Davis still has some risk attached to him. He’ll kill you in field goal and free throw percentage and turns the ball over at an extremely high rate. Still, if you can stomach the percentages and the turnovers, he’ll be a dominant force in points, assists, steals and threes.

    Bottom Line: Davis is the ultimate high-risk, high-reward pick. If you are feeling lucky, take a chance. He just might stay healthy this year.

    14. Raymond Felton - Charlotte Bobcats
    Age: 22 Height: 6'1'' Weight: 198 School: North Carolina Years: 1 Role: Starting PG


    Though he spent much of his rookie season sitting behind the oft-injured Brevin Knight, Raymond Felton flashed signs of brilliance in his first season as a pro. Had Knight not been around, Felton may have actually challenged Chris Paul for Rookie of the Year honors. Don’t laugh; just take a look at Felton’s stats after the All-Star break: 16.7 points, 7.6 assists, 1.4 steals and 2.0 threes per game. Chris Paul-esque indeed. The Bobcats seem ready and willing to hand the keys to the offense over to Felton this year. Although Knight still resides in Charlotte, he’ll play second fiddle to Felton in 2006-07.

    Bottom Line: A sleeper and waiver wire pickup last season, Felton is ready to take off in fantasy leagues this year. Guaranteed to be on many a sleeper list, Felton has the potential to be a top-10 point guard and should live up to the hype.

    15. Speedy Claxton - Atlanta Hawks
    Age: 28 Height: 5'7'' Weight: 170 School: Hofstra Years: 5 Role: Starting PG


    Though he started just three games for the Hornets, Speedy Claxton proved to be a valuable fantasy backup by posting 12.3 points, 4.8 assists and 1.5 steals in 28.5 minutes per game. Signing an off-season deal with the Atlanta Hawks, Claxton immediately becomes a super sleeper due to an expected increase in minutes. The Hawks desperately needed a true point guard to lead their incredibly young and talented squad and got just what they were looking for in Speedy.

    Now an unquestioned starter, Claxton should see around 35 minutes per game and will be a big time contributor in assists and steals. Living up to his name, he’s as quick as anyone in the league and will always be among the league leaders in steals if given the minutes. As a starter for Golden State back in 2004-05, Claxton averaged 13.1 points, 6.2 assists and 1.9 steals per game. In Atlanta, we should expect more or less the same, though he could certainly up those assist numbers with Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Josh Childress and Salim Stoudamire around to finish off his passes. His sleeper status is well-deserved, but fantasy owners should realize that Claxton’s upside relates to only three categories: points, steals and assists. Limited range and poor shooting from the floor will keep him from becoming an upper echelon point guard in fantasy leagues.

    Bottom Line: Everyone will have Claxton on their sleeper lists, making him not much of a sleeper at all. Still, he’s talented enough to live up to the hype, especially in assists and steals.

    Update: Speedy is a sleeper candidate once again. Unfortunately, his return to the sleeper realm is due to a broken finger that might put Opening Day in jeopardy. The good news is that Claxton is healing well and is able to keep up with his conditioning so he won’t need to get back into shape once he’s healthy.
     
  20. GRENDEL

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    That's a lot closer to the truth esp when compared to most of the asinine trade ideas.

    Neither Yao or Tracy are going anywhere, just live with it.
     

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