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Rick Adelman or Rick Carlisle?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ak47, May 6, 2007.

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  1. sohrab

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    a poor man's JVG ... horrible
     
  2. tsunami

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    JVG is the best of the 3. Next.
     
  3. crash5179

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    Yeah, lets keep someone because they are a disciplinarian even though they can't find a way to parlay 2-0 play off series lead into a play off series victory....not once but twice.

    No thanks.

    Give me the coach that has not ony had better play-off and regular season success but puts a team on the floor that is entertaining.

    Adelman over JVG any day.
     
  4. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    He is and he's the coach you compared Adelman to. You want a defensive minded coach. Out of the coaches that are remaining, it seems that only San Antonio and Chicago has a defensive minded coach.

    If you don't get it, I'll paint you a picture: You want a defensive coach, and yet, our defensive guru couldn't get us past the first round because he can't muster up more offensive plays than a high school coach could.
     
  5. cdxiong

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    Here is another reason why we need an offensive coach. The trade value of players will rise. JVG has made our role players look miserable and no team wants them. On the other hand, every player in Suns looks like all star.
     
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    Anyone out there a reader of the True Hoop blog? I remember him posting an anti-Rick Adleman article/post that was quite interesting and made a good case against him. I've tried searching for it on his site but can't find it ...
     
  7. TMac#1

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    Take D'Antoni's brother and trade Yao for players who can fit the system, let tmac run the show like Nash and B. Diddy does.
     
  8. ubigred

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    Adleman
    Paul Silas
    Sam Mitchell
     
  9. akuma

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    Adelman is way better than Gundy. he's been to the finals twice (it's not his fault that the Pistons and Bulls were far superior), the conference finals at least twice and past the first round numerous times.

    those '99 Knicks were in reality a lot better than a number 8 seed. if they played a full 82 game season, they probably could have finished at 4 or higher. if the first round was best of 7, they're almost no way they beat the Heat.
     
  10. AGBee

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    [​IMG]

    I vote Rick Schroder.
     
  11. RSFranchise

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    Here is a profile of Adleman from
    http://www.nba.com/coachfile/rick_adelman/index.html

    Rick Adelman
    College - Loyola Marymount

    Rick Adelman, who twice coached the Portland Trail Blazers to berths in the NBA Finals and later coached the Golden State Warriors, returned to the NBA after a season's absence on Sept. 17, 1998, when the Sacramento Kings hired him as the franchise's 19th head coach. In his fifth season at the helm of the Kings, he has molded the team into one of the NBA's most exciting teams, leading the league in scoring and making the playoffs every year since his hiring.

    Adelman brings a record of 544-361 into the 2002-03 season, a winning percentage of .601 and in the playoffs his teams have posted a 53-50 record.

    He reached the 300-win mark in 468 games, the seventh-fastest in NBA history. Only Pat Riley (416), Phil Jackson (419), Billy Cunningham (430), K.C. Jones (434), Larry Costello (445) and John Kundla (452) reached that plateau in fewer games.

    Adelman, who first came to the league as a 6-2 guard in 1968, spent 14 years in the Trail Blazers organization, including three as a player (1970-73), five as an assistant coach (1983-89) and six as the team's head coach (1989-94). He compiled a 291-154 record as a head coach and took the Blazers to the NBA Finals in 1990 and 1992. He coached Golden State for two seasons, 1995-96 and 1996-97.

    Adelman, who attended Loyola Marymount, was selected by the then-San Diego Rockets in the seventh round of the 1968 NBA Draft, the 79th overall player picked. He spent two seasons as a reserve in San Diego, where his teammates included Elvin Hayes and Pat Riley. Adelman was taken by Portland in the 1970 NBA Expansion Draft and was made the first team captain in Blazers history.

    He averaged 10.1 points, 4.6 assists and 27.7 minutes in three seasons with Portland before being traded to the Chicago Bulls. He served stints with the Bulls, the New Orleans Jazz and the Kansas City-Omaha Kings before retiring in 1975 with career averages of 7.7 points, 3.5 assists and 22.6 minutes per game in seven NBA seasons.

    Adelman began his coaching career at Chemeketa Community College in Salem, Ore. From 1977 to 1983, Chemeketa went 141-39 and won or shared in three Oregon community college championships and one regional title. He rejoined the Trail Blazers in 1983 as an assistant to Jack Ramsay and served as an assistant coach until Feb. 19, 1989, when he replaced Mike Schuler as head coach.

    In 1989-90, his first full season at the helm, Adelman guided the Blazers to a 59-23 record and a trip to the NBA Finals, where they lost to the Detroit Pistons in five games. The following year, Portland went 63-19 and won the Pacific Division title before bowing to the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals, and Adelman finished second in balloting for NBA Coach of the Year award.

    In 1991-92, Portland went 57-25, won its second straight Pacific Division title and advanced to the NBA Finals for the second time in three years, this time losing in six games to Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls.

    On Nov. 22, 1992, Adelman recorded his 200th victory in the 288th game of his career. At the time, no coach in league history had reached the 200-win plateau in fewer games. Adelman left Portland after the 1993-94 season, departing as the second-winningest coach in franchise history behind Ramsay.

    The Warriors posted a 36-46 record under Adelman in 1995-96, but did reduce their points allowed from 111.1 ppg to 103.1 ppg, the fewest for the franchise in 20 years. In addition, the 1995-96 Warriors outrebounded their opponents 3,458 to 3,406, only the second time in 14 seasons Golden State had enjoyed a season-long edge off the boards. After another losing season (30-52) in 1996-97, however, Adelman was replaced by P.J. Carlesimo.

    At Sacramento, Adelman utilized the talents of veteran forward Chris Webber and rookie point guard Jason Williams and turned the Kings into the highest-scoring team in the league, going from 93.1 points per game in 1997-98 to 100.2 ppg in 1998-99, even though the league average dipped from 95.6 ppg to 91.6 ppg. The Kings posted a 27-23 record in the lockout-shortened season, their first winning mark since 1982-83, when the franchise was still in Kansas City. They stretched Utah to five games before bowing in the first round of the playoffs.

    The Kings increased their scoring to a league-leading 104.9 ppg in 1999-2000, compiling a 44-38 record. It marked the first time in two decades that the team had posted consecutive winning seasons, since going 48-34 in 1978-79 and 47-35 in 1979-80. Once again Sacramento was ousted in the first round of the playoffs in five games, by the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers and in the 2001-02 season in the Western Conference Finals .





    CAREER COACHING
    REGULAR SEASON POST SEASON
    YEAR TEAM WINS LOSSES PCT WINS LOSSES PCT
    1988 Portland 14 21 .400 0 3 .000
    1989 Portland 59 23 .720 12 9 .571
    1990 Portland 63 19 .768 9 7 .563
    1991 Portland 57 25 .695 13 8 .619
    1992 Portland 51 31 .622 1 3 .250
    1993 Portland 47 35 .573 1 3 .250
    1995 Golden State 36 46 .439 0 0 .000
    1996 Golden State 30 52 .366 0 0 .000
    1998 Sacramento 27 23 .540 2 3 .400
    1999 Sacramento 44 38 .537 2 3 .400
    2000 Sacramento 55 27 .671 3 5 .375
    2001 Sacramento 61 21 .744 10 6 .625
    2002 Sacramento 59 23 .720 7 5 .583
    2003 Sacramento 55 27 .671 7 5 .583
    2004 Sacramento 50 32 .610 1 4 .200
    2005 Sacramento 44 38 .537 2 4 .333
    TOTALS 752 481 .610 70 68 .507
     
  12. zhao1109

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    man, are you real TMAC fan? he can not run anymore, his back holding his game. If he plays SUNS style, his career will end in 2 years
     
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    Someone that can come up with good offensive schemes. We have two of the best scorers in the game yet we want to be a slow, mehotdical, defensive orientated ballclub?
     
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    Screw both... Hire Mario Elie~
     
  15. Rockets-R-Us

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    Hey RSFranchise -

    Thanks for the Bio on Adelman. I was already sold on him before reading that and now hope like hell that someone puts that same material in front of Les Alexander.

    Adelman is EXACTLY what this team needs, and I'd be willing to be he would become a MUCH BIGGER player magnet than JVG who free agents actually want to avoid playing for due to his Rep for being a "dick."

    Adelman gets much more from his players, knows how to build a bench, and has been to the promised land more times than JVG has even dreamed of said "land."

    Sign the dude!!!
     
  16. BEXCELANT

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    DEL HARRIS FOR ROCKETS COACH. WORKED CLOSESLY WITH DON NELSON. WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING YAO OVER AND WORKING WITH YAO. UNDERSTANDS THE OFFENSIVE GAME AND USES PLAYERS TO THEIR TALENTS. DEL HARRIS IS YOUR GUY.
     
  17. orbb

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    the only reason Adelman doesnt have 2 rings was the Shaq/Kobe lakers with LOTS of help from refs. He maxed out an old vlade divac and made doug christie look like a star. i drool to think of what our team would be like under him.
     
  18. DOMINATOR

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    hire me as head coach
     
  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Fratello! Im telling yall. Its Fratello's sorry ass. You'll see. When happens I demand my GDamn member status back too.
     
  20. krnxsnoopy

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    Ummm..

    JVG > both..

    you guys underestimate how hard it is to find a GOOD coach..

    JVG is an above-average coach in the league, at the very least.. He is probably closer to top 10.. You guy's dont realize how many other teams out there have WORSE coaches than JVG.. And the coaches you guys are mentioning are coaches WITHOUT JOBS.


    ps. anyone seriously considering Mario Elie gotta be joking.. Lets just get SAM CASSELL for our coach! :rolleyes:
     

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