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So what if we take Redick?

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Outlier, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    How good was John Paxon or Steve Kerr at doing things other than shoot? They were perfect fit for the bulls by hitting shots created by Jordan and Pippen. You never know for sure if a college player will be the right fit for your team, you can only make an educated guess. Oh I have no love for the Dookies. ;)
     
  2. bplld

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    Stop exagerating it. His defense is not that big of a deal. FOr some reason from decent defense, yall have detoriated the fact into his defense is half of steve nash's. His defense isnt great, but it isnt terrible. Alston and head arent great defenders, i dont see any crisis happening here. Yao isnt having foul problems now, he wont have them later. Other than david wesley, we dont have any good defenders. Our team doesnt even average 90 points a game, who cares about defense right now?
     
  3. rpr52121

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    I say take Redick in theh first round, especially if Roy is already gone.

    Then if you get Bobby Brown, or Mike Gansey in the 2nd round, you can trade Redick to team who wants him for a more seasoned player
     
  4. CriscoKidd

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    In college his d isn't terrible. In the NBA he's a walking mismatch nearly every time he steps on the court.
     
  5. sun12

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    Paxon and Kerr at least can play the PG position. If they don't play well in the strongest area of your game, i.e. shooting, at least they can do something else.

    For JJ, there is nothing else, hey, are you going to play JJ or not if he can not shoot ? If you don't start JJ, why waste a pick on him in the mid round?

    When you build a championship team, you always start with fundamental players who can play defense, like what Spurs does with their team. Later on you can add specialist, like shooters. Rox is not at that stage yet, there are lots of holes to fill.
     
  6. vcchlw

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    Remember Nachbar? Isn't Boki supposed to be the next Peja? If JJ can't improve himself against much more physically talented defenders in the NBA, he will be a complete bust.
     
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    Effort and intensity count for a lot on defence. In college, JJ had to carry the offensive load, so his defence had to suffer a bit. On the Rockets, he will be able to focus most of his energy on defence. And by all accounts, he's an extremely hard worker and is very intense on the floor. I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised. He won't be great on defence, mind you, but I think he will be more than adequate; he will be a plus for us most nights.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I think Redick is a perfect fit.

    DD
     
  9. terse

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    I think so too. It's eerie how well suited he would be to us -- and how poor a fit he would be almost anywhere else. It's almost as if he was meant to play for us.
     
  10. pradaxpimp

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    our defense is sufficient, we need shooters at this point in the game.
     
  11. hansgee

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    We need 3pt shooters and Reddick can do that. :) remember when Wesley was on a slump 1st half of the year? everybody here wants to bench him even if he has Defense.

    We play good team defense so having an undersize SG (reddick 6'5-6'5) is fair height IMHO.

    by the way Wesley is 6'1 who can't consistently hit open shots ;)
     
  12. Turcan5

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    Even though Wesley is 6'1, he was our best perimeter defender most of the year. (TMac would be, but he's not going to be the primary defender on the other team's best two or three). If you replace Wesley with Reddick. That leaves Reddick and Alston as our starting guards....this would probably be the worst defensive backcourt in the league. Then there's Juwan as our 4...one of the worst defenders at his position. There's no way this lineup can stay with San Antonio, Phoenix, or Dallas.
     
  13. grednotto

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    this has been said but i can't see wasting a 1st round pick on a jon barry clone
     
  14. okierock

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    Did you read what you wrote?

    Basically your saying that Reddick completes the Rockets but he would suck if he played anywhere else?

    I'm pretty sure he's just going to suck.
     
  15. rpr52121

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    Now I admit when the Rockets were looking ot pick from 10 to 14 to get Reddick. Now I think otherwise (Roy, Brewer, Carney, in that order). But how many GAMES of Reddick have ya'll seen? Seriously. I'm a UNC fan (since 94, and best friend goes to Duke). So I hate Duke.

    Reddick has a sweet shot. He ALSO HAS A MID RANGE GAME complete with fade aways and jump shots. Now I agree that his passing and defense are not great, but He IS more than a just a pure shooter. Even on Duke, NO SIMPLY PURE SHOOTER CAN AVERAGE 20+ IN THE ACC for two seasons. He did not just get shots through set screens. He was moving all the over the court. It was like watching Reggie Miller. (Who I might had had similar stats for his college years at UCLA 84-87.) I'm not saying Reddick will be Miller (who was 6-7 and played very aggressive defense). But he is definitely a late lottery pick. (Miller himself was pick no. 11)

    He had to face top defenses and the top defense players every game and still scored points. You never want the ball in his hands because he can score from nearly anywhere.

    Gansey is great college shooter, too; but give Reddick his due.
    If Michael Redd can be an All-Star caliber player, Reddick can too.
     
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    One thign I just saw on Gansey's stats from last year...

    11/26 LSU 7/11 3's Loss
    1/8 @Villanova 4/4 3's Win
    1/14 Marquette 8/11 3's Win
    2/18 UConn 5/6 3's Loss
    3/4 @Cincy 5/6 3's Loss

    There is good and bad to those stats....

    He does well in Big Games.

    But He is really streaky. You take away those 5 games and he is shooting 33.6 % from the field
     
  17. triplebogey

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    Okay, that's true...but I don't understand why this is a valid stat. "Take away the games where he's played well in and we see that he sucks." That doesn't make sense to me. It was, in fact, Mike Gansey that played those games, no? I know your point was that he's streaky, not necessarily bad. But it seems like a bit of statistical manipulation to me. It seems to me like he has good games and he has bad games.

    What makes the possibility of adding a guy like him to the Rockets appealing to me is not his stats, but having watched him play I saw a guy with nice form, quick release, willingness to take the shot, and the ability to shoot not only the 3 but the midrange shot, too. I don't think I'd feel that way if I only had numbers to look at. No big deal, either way, though.
     
  18. rpr52121

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    Gansey has apparently turned some scouts heads...now seems to be late first round pick...
     
  19. geeimsobored

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    I'm a big Gansey fan and have watched him fairly closely for the last two years. My dad is a WVU alum so every time we're together, we end up watching their games and during the tourny we watched every one of their games for the last two years.

    Gansey is pure effort + some skill. (as opposed to rybo who is pure hustle and zero talent) He can make the three ball and made some shots that were way beyond the college three point line. He can penetrate fairly well despite not being the quickest guy. And when he does penetrate, he always manages to find a creative way to get to the hole. (sort of like Bob Sura who isn't particularly quick and yet somehow got to the basket on occasion)

    On defense, the man is non-stop effort. He was the top man of the 1-3-1 zone which essentially means you are a human pogo stick. He had to jump and flail away to try and deflect and steal balls. Also, since he was at the top, he generally had to always guard point guards. And despite playing on the 3 point line as the head of a 1-3-1 zone, he was the team's top rebounder and you could watch possessions and he would come out of nowhere to get rebounds.

    He's got great basketball IQ and great effort/work ethic that compensates for his mediocre athleticism. He has zero upside whatsoever but he'll definitely refine his game because he's such a hard worker. He would be a great 2nd round pick if we can get him. He's another undersized 2 guard but I'd rather get him in the 2nd round than waste a lottery pick on Reddick who isn't that much better.
     
  20. CriscoKidd

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    rockets are taking redick now. Book it.

    There isn't going to be another 2 guard to fall to the lotto pick they'll end up with and JVG and co are too myopic to look past the filling the sg position, even if it's with an overhyped overmatched player.

    rybo with a jumper. Jon Barry the second. Steve Kerr redux. :rolleyes:
     

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