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Will a recut Passion still stir debate?

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  1. Rockets34Legend

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    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3078855

    Film rereleased minus 6 minutes of worst gore
    By JEANNIE KEVER
    Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

    Last year's success of The Passion of the Christ foretold the red state-blue state electoral vote divide as the nation's culture wars played out at the box office.

    Many movie goers described it as a sacred experience, but to others it was nothing more than a graceless horror flick. So it should come as no surprise that today's rerelease — now billed as The Passion Recut, minus about six minutes of the goriest scenes but still too intense to qualify for a PG-13 rating — has drawn little consensus.

    This new version is expected to be at least a modest success, even an enduring staple of the Easter season. That is good news in some Christian quarters but more cause for worry to those concerned about its portrayal of Jews.

    The original film earned more than $611 million after its release in February 2004, making it not only the highest-grossing R-rated film of all time but also a wake-up call about the collective purchasing power of the nation's believers. (The new version was released unrated, opening on about 950 screens nationwide; it will be at seven theaters in the Houston area.)

    "I think, like any group that feels they're on the outside, when this film did so well, it did give them a sense of strength in numbers," said Michael Emerson, a professor of sociology at the University of Notre Dame who studies evangelical religions.

    For decades, devout Christians had lamented popular culture's movement away from their values, said Lynn Mitchell, professor of religious studies at the University of Houston.

    The Passion gave them a place at the table.

    "It finally got across to people in the blue states that religion is an important thing for Americans," Mitchell said. "And it's not just important for fundamentalists and evangelicals.

    It's important for mainstream Americans and liberal Roman Catholics. So the dismissive way some people deal with these (religious) people is not going to get them very far."

    Some churches bought blocks of tickets last year, following up with special sermons and discussion groups. But The Passion didn't succeed solely on its religious audience.

    People also bought tickets on the strength of filmmaker Mel Gibson's reputation — he is best-known for the Lethal Weapon series and anti-authoritarian films such as The Patriot. Others were curious about reports of the film's graphic nature and charges that its portrayal of Jews might lead to anti-Semitism.

    "Gibson wasn't a victim in any of this," said S. Brent Plate, who teaches religion and the visual arts at Texas Christian University and edited a book on the movie's impact, Re-Viewing The Passion: Mel Gibson's Film and Its Critics (Palgrave Macmillan, $14.95). "He knew what he was doing."

    In a video statement on the film's Web site, www.thepassionofthechrist.com, Gibson said the cuts, most of them from the bloody scourging scene, were intended to make the film more accessible.

    "I have softened it somewhat. It's still a hard film," he said.

    The initial theater run drew a mix of fundamentalists, evangelicals and Catholics, along with curiosity seekers attracted by the publicity. (It also has been out on DVD since August, selling more than 4 million copies its first day in stores.) This time around, the audience is likely to be mostly Christian, Emerson said.

    The outcry that greeted last year's release is unlikely to be duplicated. "But there will be lots of people who will hire buses to take people to it again," Mitchell said. "It's a significant religious and cultural icon for Americans right now."

    Charges of anti-Semitism

    Gibson spent $25 million from his own pocket to finance a movie that seemed destined for obscurity. In addition to the unrelenting violence, it was filmed in Aramaic and Latin, with subtitles, risky moves in a world where Shrek 2 and Spider-Man 2 were the year's top-grossing movies.

    But The Passion ended up an improbable No. 3, and its popularity only adds to the concerns of some critics.

    Sister Mary C. Boys, a professor at Columbia University's Union Theological Seminary, was one of four Catholic scholars asked by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to review an early version of the script. Publicity over their fears of an anti-Semitic backlash inadvertently helped promote the movie.

    Even now, Boys worries "that we're going to have a whole generation of people who will grow up thinking this is how it went down, and that's how Jews are."

    News reports suggest there has been an increase in anti-Semitism, both locally and worldwide, over the past year, although Martin Cominsky, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, says there is no proof the movie was behind it.

    In fact, reported reaction ran more along the lines of the story of Dan Leach II, who, after being emotionally moved by The Passion, confessed to killing girlfriend Ashley Nicole Wilson in her Richmond apartment. The case had been ruled a suicide; Leach was later sentenced to 75 years in prison.

    Historically, passion plays have sparked violence against Jews, most spectacularly when Hitler invoked the passion play enacted by the Bavarian village of Oberammergau after attending a 1934 performance.

    That makes the movie's rerelease a concern, especially the idea that it may be released in theaters every Easter, Cominsky said. Add to that the fact that it's out on DVD. "It will be shown to young audiences that don't have the full perspective and understanding of the Jewish-Christian relations that have been going on for years and years," he said.

    (Plans to release the recut version on DVD haven't been announced; it likely will happen later this year.)

    On the other hand, the movie did get people talking. Plate noted that the Association for Jewish Studies had two sessions on The Passion at its annual meeting in December.

    "Christians and Jews have been talking to each other for a long time," he said. "It set some of it back, but it also opened up new categories of discussion."

    A message of redemption

    Controversy alone can't save a religious movie. Remember Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ?

    The Passion succeeded because many people felt it reinforced their faith.

    "Most everybody I talked to who went to the movie had their faith deepened," said the Rev. William Vanderbloemen, senior minister of Houston's First Presbyterian Church. "I think what it showed me was the simple old story that we tell every Easter is still the story that captures hearts here and now."

    And in a way, the violence that prompted so much criticism was also behind its success.

    "I think people were horrified, but also mystified that anyone would take that on," said Sister Madeleine Grace, chairwoman of the theology department at the University of St. Thomas.

    The film is unbearably painful without the underlying message of a God who takes on suffering for his people, Grace said. "One has to look at the film in the light of Christian redemption," she said. "Otherwise, it's the most gruesome torture film that ever made it into the movies."

    Hit the zeitgeist

    But the film also scored because it hit the zeitgeist.

    "It worked because it touched on so many nerves and because it touched on a volatile religious environment in our society right now," Plate said. "The whole Bush election and the questions on the role of religion in a country founded on separation of religion and state. The film didn't address that, but with all the polarization going on, it fed into that.

    "At first, I wanted to be a skeptic and just hate (the movie), and I did," he said. "But in the end, after talking to people, I realized there are a lot of people who just wanted to have these conversations."
     
  2. Mango

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    nWo34Life

    1) I have never thought of you as a regular participant in the D&D Forum, yet you want to introduce a <i>New Topic</i> in this Forum.

    2) You copied and pasted an article from the <i>Houston Chronicle</i>, yet you failed to give your own opinion on the topic. Since you don't have any <i>attachment/sentiment</i> at stake in this thread, I sense little actual interest by you on this topic. Based on your very limited track record of participation in the D&D Forum, it is doubtful that you would return to this thread and engage in any discussion.

    Here is a useful link for you:

    <a HREF="http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=13">BBS Hangout
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  3. MadMax

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    color me guilty of this sin, as well. i do that all the time. sometimes because i don't have well-formed opinions on a topic, and by posting the article i can read what others think from different perspectives.

    as for the article...the story, itself. this is the same story MINUS some of the gore from the first movie. this shouldn't be an issue. we've already had this debate when the movie DID have those extra 6 minutes. torture and crucifixion ain't pretty. if you're a believer, you see something in this others don't. i don't know if that was every worthy of debate to begin with.
     
  4. Mango

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    MadMax,

    .....but you are a D&D regular and extremely diligent about sticking around for the ensuing discussion.

    I have my doubts about him doing the same.
     
  5. MadMax

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    that's just cause i talk too much! :)
     
  6. Rockets34Legend

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    Mango, I like posting articles on the BBS - anywhere on the BBS. If I feel this is a D&D topic, I'll post it here. If it's a Hangout article, it will go there.

    And who says I have to post an opinion to my article? I will do it when I feel like it.

    How about you not post in my thread, move on to another thread and post your opinions there?

    Thanks.
     
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  7. SamCassell

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    While I think nWo should be allowed to post in any forum he wants to, I don't think this topic is germaine to the D&D. The movie came out a while back, it's not exactly a hot topic for debate, just because they cut 6 minutes from the film. The word "debate" in a Chronicle article header doesn't mean the topic fits.
     
  8. Rockets34Legend

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    If it's in the wrong area, SamCassell, then that's fine. Tell me that. But Mango went a bit further with it as if he owns the D&D.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    I don't think they should have re-released the film. It makes it look like a money-grab... and maybe it is a money-grab. All the old debate about the violence and anti-semitism and Christianity should simmer down -- at least I want it to -- but I can see another faction starting regarding the motivation for re-releasing it. Is this a good-hearted effort to retell the Passion for Easter, or is Gibson taking advantage of Christians' loyalty to him to increase his profit? What is he doing with that money now anyway? My own feeling is that a tradition of watching this movie every Easter should be based on DVDs, not moviehouses. The re-release makes Gibson's original motivations for making the movie a lot harder to defend.
     
  10. rimbaud

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    Yeah, this is annoying. At first when I saw the "preview" I thought "how could there be a director's cut when clearly Gibson never heard the word 'no' during the original film." Now, it is not even a re-visioning or anything new...but it is actually less. Stupid.

    JV - this is clearly a cash grab with Easter...and they are also being deceptive by not saying in the ads what the difference is (in other words - not saying that this is less movie this time).

    In any event, I generally love Jesus movies. I thought this was hideous, boring, and superficial. All theology aside, half way through I wanted them to hurry up and crucify just so the movie would be over.
     
  11. Deckard

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    I've yet to see it, and don't plan to. I agree that this has $$$ written all over it.



    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
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    DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNER!
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    It is oh-so-easy to be a cynic.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Dont' bother. Jim Cavaziel had all the life of a used tamale husk. If that's my savior, I'll pass, I'd rather hang out with that cool looking Devil guy with the gollum baby that kept popping up.
     
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    Mel Gibson is running a for profit business - the making of the movie in the first place was to make money.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    I'd like to know where the proceeds from that movie went, and what it was subsequently spent on. If you happen to know of any articles written on the subject, I'd appreciate a link. Google hasn't given it to me yet, but I'm still looking.
     
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    The only issue I really ever had with this movie is that it was somehow marketed as a divine altruistic public work. (and the fact that i'm not fond of Gibson movies, and 2 hours of torture and suffering just simply didn't appeal to me).

    I don't necessarily blame Gibson for this spin -- as much of it was from outside groups -- but, in the end -- if they make money from the flick -- so be it. Nothing wrong with that. And if re-release makes sense -- then why is that somehow different than other movies that are re-released.
     
  18. Rockets34Legend

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    I know this is wishful thinking, but....

    It would of been nice for Mel, once he made his money back, to give the rest of the profits to a Christian charity organization(s).

    There's my opinion, Mango. :p
     
  19. SamFisher

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    I thought Mel gave a bunch to his church, which is sort of like a "turn back the clock night" Catholic offshoot sect (pre vatican II, etc)
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

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    He probably did. But my guess is that he is also keeping quiet about exactly who and how much not to make more controversy. He probably gave a bunch to that ******* sect he is in too.
     

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