If you support a group of people who are explicitly genocidal and an existential threat to a country then I wouldn't be very surprised if that country considers you an enemy/combatant and kills you.
Egypt knew about the tunnels. Israel knew about the attack. Palestinian leaders live in Qatar in prosperity while the people in Palestine live on $10 a day. 1300+ dead Israelis. 35000+ dead Palestinians. There is little redeeming about the conflict.
Yes. This conflict is being driven by extremists and a cycle of violence. Many if the People killed and suffering including those on Oct. 7th, the hostages and civilians in Gaza had nothing to do with any of it.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. The more you oppress, kill and displace the more likely young Palestinians will support Hamas. This is basic human nature. So again a downward spiral towards genocide.
But let's be clear. One side has suffered SIGNIFICANTLY more because this is a bully vs bullied situation of asymmetric warfare between a conventional war machine and stateless people.
I hope Egypt isn't returning to their old ways. I hope that the Biden/Obama Regime will prevent any escalation.
The "stateless" people will only accept statehood on the condition that all of Israel's Jews are DEAD. You are an idiot.
Most folks in the death cult of Hamas (and their supporters) will tell you they're acting on very literal religious edicts. No mental gymnastics necessary. Just take them at their word.
Religion has many uses. Some uses are for control of people. Some uses are for building a community. Some uses are even used as coping mechanisms. Religion is a product of nihilism. Bleak outlook understanding you are face a conventional war machine that denies your basic right to exist means you need coping mechanisms. Some used alcohol and some use religion. Religion gives a sense of life after their current miserable existence. You don't understand how hard it is to cope with the fact that your luck had you born in Gaza and how much people hope that there is something more to life than their current miserable lives.
So in any case but especially this one support is not narrow enough. Someone who doesn't follow politics may be asked if they support the Mayor of New York's handling of crime. The person probably doesn't think much about the mayor of New York and certainly not about his specific policies But having seen or heard about crime rate being down, they would say, yes. Now they are a supporter. In Gaza, Palestinians have admitted they don't always feel safe answering questions about their government. They may support them over whatever corrupt leaders they had in the past, but aren't enthusiastic about them. They may support them out of bitterness towards Israel and those that have treated them unjustly for decades, but would still prefer a different government. They love everything Hamas does and wish they could commit terrorist acts for Hamas. There are dozens of other options in between. Only a tiny percentage of those options "supporting" Hamas would qualify as enemy combatants.
there isn’t exactly a sign on your forehead on who you support most people living under repressive gov just fade into the background and get by
I am almost done with The Invention of Jewish People and can recommend it but want to say that while it is interesting from a historical perspective and challenges dogmatic ideas of modern Jewish Nationalism, it is more an invitation to study human origins and not rely on national narratives than an actual piece of scholarship on the question of are the Jews today the same people as the ones in their Bible. His thesis is there were two massive populations of non-Hebrew Jewish populations because prior to Christianity Judaism was prosthelytized to kingdoms in Yemen and North Africa. Then in the medieval age, Khazars in what is now Ukraine and the Caucuses adopted Judaism. He states the Kazars more or less cease to exist as a coherent power by the time of the Mongols, and a lot of eastern European Jewish inhabitants are more likely descendants of Kazars than anyone else. Overtime, the Slavic orthodox peoples became the dominant power in the Baltic region further marginalizing the Jewish population. However, this is an extremely offensive take to Jewish nationalists Who believe more than anything that they are the direct descendants of the ancient Israelites. But it is in no way an accusation that the Jewish people of Eastern Europe are not actually Jewish. The actual Hebrew people themselves were not exiled following the restoration of the second temple but Jewish elites were and the exile is likely in reference to lost autonomy. And as such, the modern Palestinians are Arabized Semitic groups who were previously Jewish and became Muslims due to the Arab conquest of Byzantine. tl;dr Modern Jews are a mix up of peoples of the Eurasian steppes, Eastern Europe, the Near East, North Africa, as well as peoples continuously living in the Levant. These people have shed their identities and assumed their biblical identity. I am like Issac Asimov on this: If I could trace my origins to Judas Maccabaeus or King David, that would not add one inch to my stature. It may well be that many East European Jews are descended from Khazars, I may be one of them. Who knows? And who cares?' -Isaac Asimov
History really is just a story of the ebbs of flows of syncretism and exclusion between groups of humans. We love each other in the good times, hate each other in the bad times.
I don’t deny at all that there is a power imbalance and the death toll of Palestinians to Israelis is very one sided. That doesn’t excuse what happened on Oct. 7 and I really hope that’s not what you’re saying. There is blood and blame in both sides. Just because Israel is much stronger doesn’t mean the Palestinian side hasn’t committed atrocities. That is what I’ve been saying consistently in this thread. It’s simplistic to reduce this down to one side is solely the victim and the other side is solely thr bad guy.
Why would you think I'm trying to justify Oct 7th? That's such an odd take away. One side is the victim. People from their victim group can still do heinous things. Slave revolts that result in rape and murder of civilians is horrific and unjustified. That doesn't make the situation a "both sides" thing.
Yet there have been claims that “Leftists” including here are supporters of Hamas. Do you think those people are acting on religious edicts? Yes Hamas are religious extremists it’s not clear how many Palestinians are. The PLO is a secular organization more tied to international Marxism than Islam. There were other groups including one headed by Palestinian Christians that carried out terrorist attacks Israel. Again reducing this down to Islam is over simplifying the situation.
