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[3rd pick] Who do you want?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., May 12, 2024.

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Who do you want with the 3rd pick?

This poll will close on Jun 26, 2024 at 2:52 PM.
  1. Trade the pick

    20.0%
  2. Zaccharie Risacher

    8.5%
  3. Stephon Castle

    1.3%
  4. Donovan Clingan

    8.9%
  5. Zach Edey

    3.0%
  6. Matas Buzelis

    2.4%
  7. Rob Dillingham

    4.8%
  8. Reed Sheppard

    40.9%
  9. Nikola Topić

    9.3%
  10. Dalton Knecht

    0.9%
  1. Dobbizzle

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    Disagree on Cam, he's a forward, he doesn't play like a guard at all, he's a finisher not a creator.
     
  2. JMAD21

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    I like buzelis, looking forward to looking deeper into the class tho.
     
  3. rockets1995

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    Reed Sheppard another undersized Guard.

    JJ Reddick, Jimmer Fredette Type.

    Rockets are not looking for that type of player.

    Rockets always look for Athletes.
     
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  4. don grahamleone

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    I want this guy:
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't really think that long term that's as much of an issue. Smith is getting better defensively, Amen is an absolute force defensively when he's on the court, FVV is consistently one of the better defensive PG's in the league and I expect the team to move on from Jalen eventually which by itself will improve the defense.

    When it comes to Topic, the ding on him is athleticism, but a 6'6 PG should have a size advantage over most PG/SG he faces and he seems to have a very high BBIQ so there's hope much like with FVV the lack of athleticism will be made up for by craftiness.

    I don't think the defense would be a dealbreaker for me, but it's definitely noteworthy.
     
  6. J.R.

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    Shades of Roy Hibbert — Massive interior presence who projects as a post threat on offense and a paint protector on defense.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113622-donovan-clingan-scouting-report-pro-comps-predictions-for-2024-nba-draft-prospect


    Donovan Clingan

    Projected role: Finisher/rim protector

    Pro comparisons: Jakob Poeltl, Walker Kessler, Ivica Zubac

    Donovan Clingan's NBA role will be well-defined and the same as it was for Connecticut.

    Offensively, he'll spend possessions setting screens and rolling, waiting in the dunker's spot or commanding low-post touches with his back to the basket. He'll be a catch-and-finish big man who also puts pressure on the offensive glass.
    Defensively, he'll anchor the paint, play drop coverage in pick-and-rolls and prevent second-chance points with his massive size for defensive rebounding.

    There are plenty of starting centers with Clingan's archetype, physical strengths and limited skills. Like Poeltl, he'll be valued mostly for his scoring efficiency around the basket and defensive impact.
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    The idea that Clingan could help change a team's defensive identity could sway teams to consider him before bigger projects with more versatility or perceived higher ceilings.

    There is also a sure-thing factor tied to his enormous physical profile and translatable inside scoring, rebounding and rim protection. In a draft without obvious stars, Clingan's certainty could hold extra weight.

    But he may have to wait for a team to be on the clock that has a specific need for interior defense and physicality. Clingan's inability to play the 4, handle or shoot means he won't fit every starting lineup, and teams with top-10 or late-lottery picks may be hesitant to spend those on a backup big man.

    Many of the league's poor defensive teams are already invested in young centers. That includes Detroit Pistons with Jalen Duren, the Charlotte Hornets with Mark Williams, the San Antonio Spurs with Victor Wembanyama, the Portland Trail Blazers with Deandre Ayton and the Utah Jazz with Walker Kessler.

    Strengths:
    Interior defense
    Clingan's primary draw is his ability to shrink the windows around the rim for opposing scorers. Even when he's not blocking shots—which he does by using his length, anticipation and mobility—he's changing attempts and altering decisions of incoming drivers.
    He also moves well in pick-and-roll situations, and he shows a good feel for cutting off angles for ball-handlers.

    Entering the NCAA tournament, opponents only shot 3-of-26 against Clingan in the post. That's a reflection of his strength and ability to keep his man from moving him back or creating space.

    Interior scoring
    Clingan shot over 60.0 percent from the field in consecutive years by using his body to carve out space and soft hands to finish around the basket. He creates easy angles for himself from below the rim. He can also play above it for lob-catching and putbacks.
    He's highly efficient going over either shoulder with his back to the basket as well.

    Rebounding
    Clingan spends the majority of his minutes around the basket, so he's often in position to grab rebounds. He eats up a ton of space and makes it tough to anyone to win loose balls in his area.

    Weaknesses:
    Versatility
    Clingan can only play minutes at the 5 because he lacks ball-handling or perimeter skill. His particular game requires floor-spacing from his team's forwards.

    Free throws
    Clingan could spend a lot of time at the free-throw line given how physical he is. However, he shot below 60 percent from the charity stripe during both of his seasons at Connecticut.

    He also made only three jumps shots all season, rarely attempting a shot with two hands on the ball.

    Explosion
    Clingan is going to face much taller and stronger big men in the NBA, and he won't be able to rely as much on his height as he did in college. He lacks vertical explosiveness and sometimes has trouble separating despite his advantageous physical tools.
     
  7. rockets1995

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    Donovan Clingan - Bryant "Big Country" Reeves. Barrel Body Type. Bryant can shoot Free Throws Donovan can't.
     
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  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Steph Curry ;)
     
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    And that's how they got a draft bust in 2021....
     
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    Jalen Green is an athlete who can’t shoot…..
     
  11. rpr52121

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    Luka and Jokic are MVP level players, and Sengun is someone we all hope will be that eventually? Does anyone expect Reed Sheppard to be that kind of player?

    After Sengun, everyone is hoping guys like Amen, Cam, and possible a late push from Jabari or Tari could make them fringe All-Star level talents.

    Even right now in the league, how many teams truly have 3 fringe All-Star level players on their team, it's only a handful.

    This is not a draft where the Rockets go for the boom/bust star trying to find Giannis, especially at #3.
     
  12. keeez

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    Just cash out and take Reed Sheppard. We already won big. No need to continue to try and gamble to get marginal draft value at this point.

    My big takeaways on drafting Sheppard:

    - Obviously he addresses our biggest need. Is arguably the best shooter in the draft.
    - Fits in with our defensive identity. Dude is scrappy with great hands. Averaged 2.5stls this past year
    - He achieved everything he did at the college level coming OFF THE BENCH. Can plug and play him even with our logjam of young talent. With his skill set, he should be able to contribute day one IMO.
    - Only 19 years old!! Is already a solid passer and makes good reads. Under FVV, he could develop that play making potential into something special
     
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  13. CXbby

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    Point me to an example of anyone, regardless of race or athletic ability, who put up the advanced stats as a freshman that Sheppard did. Here is the list since 2008:

    Zion
    Anthony Davis
    Michael Beasley
    Kevin love
    Chet
    KAT
    Mobley
    Harden

    That’s the entire list.

    None of those are unathletic white guys. But on the other hand no unathletic white is capable of putting up these numbers, besides Sheppard. Viewing him as JUST another unathletic white guy is the edge in why he can be available at #3.

    The closest example I can think of historically is a worse passing, better shooting John Stockton.
     
  14. rockets1995

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    Jalen Green can shoot better than Amen Thompson.
     
  15. J.R.

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    Shades of Derrick White — A menacing defender and sparkplug scorer who plays bigger than his body.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10112023-reed-sheppard-scouting-report-pro-comps-and-predictions-for-2024-nba-draft-prospect


    Reed Sheppard

    Projected role: Connector or combo guard

    Comparisons: Donte DiVincenzo, Kirk Hinrich

    NBA scouts see two potential roles for Sheppard, depending on how much of his off-the-dribble creativity can translate.

    At worst, he's a connector who's valued for spot-up shooting and passing. In this role, he'd play more time off the ball at the 2, stretching the floor with his deep range. On the ball, he'd focus more on facilitating in ball screens and making quick, smart decisions rather than self-creating for scoring.

    In that scenario, he projects more as a Donte DiVincenzo-like offensive energizer.

    At best, he demonstrates enough burst and shiftiness to blow by or separate, turning into more of a lead guard. Sheppard isn't an explosive athlete, but he can surprise defenders with a quick first move or decent elevation on pull-up jumpers. Offense can run through his high skill level as a playmaker and shotmaker, along with his basketball IQ.

    Some scouts have compared him to Kirk Hinrich if he shows he can thrive as a team's primary ball-handler.
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    NBA teams have been eager to learn Sheppard's exact measurements. Scouts want confirmation on his 6'3", 187-pound listing, which sounds adequate if matched up against point guards.

    Those numbers become more worrisome when picturing him facing NBA 2-guards or wings, particularly given his presumed lack of length.

    Athletically, Sheppard isn't explosive, but he's quick and agile. He can seemingly glide with the ball like he's on skates. Despite racking up only five dunks through the regular season, Sheppard has shown he can elevate above the rim and create easy finishing angles.

    His defensive tools are far from ideal, but he does make up for them with ultra-fast hands, plus the sharp instincts that control them.

    Strengths:
    Elite shot-making
    Though Sheppard's three-point volume is lower than some of the top prospects, the percentages say he's the draft's most efficient shooter. Deep range, rhythm and a quick release make him lethal when spotting up.
    Sheppard has been nearly just as effective when pulling up. He gets excellent balance and elevation to create separation from his defender.

    Even if his lack of explosiveness makes it difficult for Sheppard to earn easy baskets at the rim and trips to the free-throw line, his special shotmaking skill should make him a consistent threat to score off the ball or in ball-screen situations.

    Passing IQ
    Sheppard's passing and decision-making may persuade teams to use him at point guard. He doesn't manipulate off the dribble like Chris Paul or Trae Young, but reads the game and sees the floor extremely well.

    Without any personal agenda or predetermining of shots, Sheppard can be capable of facilitating offense and running sets.

    Defensive instincts
    Despite standing 6'3" and lacking standout athletic traits, Sheppard blocked more than 20 shots as a freshman, which is a reflection of his unteachable anticipation. His steal rate is off the charts as well.

    Defensive playmaking doesn't automatically equate to lockdown defense, and there are times when Sheppard wasn't in the right position off the ball. But his ability to make reads and quick reactions should continue to work well when applying pressure on opposing ball-handlers. His IQ should bode well for his potential to keep building team-defense awareness.

    Weaknesses:
    Creation upside
    While Sheppard has shown he can beat defenders in straight lines or separate into pull-ups, he still doesn't possess advanced moves for creation with his handle or footwork. His lack of explosiveness can also make it difficult for him to put pressure on the rim.

    Regardless of how efficient he was, Sheppard wouldn't be Kentucky's answer if it needed a basket late in the clock.

    Off-ball variety
    Sheppard is an excellent stationary catch-and-shoot threat, but he didn't give scouts any tape on his ability to drill jumpers off screens/movement. He also didn't record one field goal cutting to the rim all season.
    If he winds up going to a team that has a ball-dominant point guard, he could be limited throughout games and possibility reduced to just spot-up opportunities.

    Defensive tools
    Although Sheppard has outstanding instincts, most starting NBA 2-guards will have a physical advantage over him.

    Ideally, he'll go to a team that already has a big ball-handler who could draw opposing 2-guards on defense or one that's willing to use him at point guard.
     
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    A worse passing better shooting John Stockton. Another example I’ve seen is someone who isn’t quite the defender of Caruso and isn’t quite the shooter of Curry, but an intersection of both…
     
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    If Bari, Amen, and Tari can all via for all-defensive teams in the near future, you are correct. but that would be super lucky. I also don't really consider FVV part of the long term plan. Would be surprised if he is on the team past this season unless as a depth/coach from the bench.
     
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    Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Scottie Barnes are not Clear Super Stars.

    Jalen Green is Youngest Rockets Player to Reach 4,000 Points over Hakeem Olajuwon.

    Jalen Green is 22 years, Most of the Core Guys are 21 years old.
     
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    These are horrible comps. Sheppard has elite steal and block rates, higher than Amen.
     
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    Some of the greatest PG's in the history of the league have been relatively unathletic and under 6'3....

    Stockton was MAYBE 6'1, Steph Curry is 6'2 with shoes, Chris Paul is still trying to convince people he's 6'0 Steve Nash was listed at 6'3 but he was really closer to 6'1

    None of those guys are terribly athletic.
     

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