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US airman shot and killed by police in Florida

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  1. Reeko

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    this is so sad man

    look at how much his younger sister looked up to him
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    They don't make statements on all police shootings. Political action cannot raise the dead. They mostly limit their advocacy for legislative efforts.


    For example just this month the NRA got put in the Consolidated Appropriations Act that the VA cannot just take veterans (like this guys) rights to guns away without due process. This was a huge win because there was no oversight or repair available once done. It put off vets from seeking metal health services from the VA.

    This is something they were working on for 20 years.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

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    A very tragic loss. I feel very bad for the family of the deceased and the police obviously need to look to improve in every area.

    HOWEVER:

    1) This incident is not indicative of a trend, nor of racial animus
    2) It's an election year. The media will selectively run with more of these stories to try to stir up emotions and get people thinking in groups (race). Be smart; control your emotions. Don't get played.
     
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  4. rocketsjudoka

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    This case reminds me a lot of the Philando Castillo and Brianna Taylor shootings. In both cases the people shot did have firearms (Brianna Taylor’s boyfriend not her) and were either not threatening an LEO or defending themselves from wha they perceived as a threat and were still killed.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    She and the officer should both do time.
     
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  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    She should do time for what? Thinking she heard a fight and reporting it? What would her charges be?
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    48 hours in the hole for being a dumb b**** sounds pretty fair to me at minimum.

    "I live in an apartment complex...I heard noise from some other apartment"

    "Which apartment, ma'am?"

    "Oh one of these around here"
     
  8. Kim

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    This is not the first time this almost exact same scenario has happened. I think it was 5 years ago, a couple was playing video games loudly in their apartment, the neighbor upstairs reported violence instead of a noise complaint. Actually, I think it was originally a 911 noise complaint, but when the operator asked if there was violence, the neighbor said "sure, if that means they'll get here faster" or something like that.

    Cops arrive and bang on the door. Yell "police" because the policy and I'm guessing the law requires it, but then hide because it makes sense not to stand behind the door. Dude walks out with a gun NOT raised because he heard the door banging. Immediately, dude sees the cops and starts to kneel and put his hands up. Cop in front of him does nothing. Cop behind him panics and puts many bullets into him. GF or wife comes out confused and crying. Cops refuse to let her go to him and she watches him die. Cop was like "he had a gun."

    No charges. It's on YouTube.
    My takeaways:
    -some police policy is confusing when combined when it comes to announcing and then hiding, but makes sense independently.
    - your 2A rights do not exist in your own home in some circumstances because cops can kill you for holding your gun and not get punished criminally or civilly. Well, the lady Cop got punished. I know of at least 4 others who didn't.
     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    You'd think the 2nd Amendment people would be all up in arms about stuff like this....yet not so much. Wonder why?
     
  10. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    The hand is faster than the eye. This is the real-world movie made possible by extreme defenders of the 2A, causing the wholly expected widespread availability of guns everywhere. You have the right to answer a door with a gun. The cop has the training and self-interest to avoid being killed.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Several justified the shooting of Philando Castillo even though he didn’t even have a gun in his hand. Yanez’s argument that the juror agreed with was that he had legitimate fear that Castillo was reaching for a firearm.

    In this case where he was holding a firearm I get the feeling it will be very hard to get a conviction.
     
  12. Kim

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    Cops shooting at legally carrying gun owners who think the cops are intruders. If you're a gun owner, you're told you're legally allowed to protect your home, but people need to know that cops go to the wrong house often or go to the right house when the victim is being swatted. And in those situations, cops don't give a damn about your 2A rights. They are going to shoot and try to kill you. So don't open your doors to anyone you don't know, period. Have security cameras. It's a terrible world that we have ourselves to blame where the law says it's okay for these shootings to happen.

    Ryan Whitaker shooting


    Dick Tench shooting


    Robert Dotson shooting
     
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  13. Rocket River

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    Only if you have the proper skin tone of "real Americans"

    Rocket River
     
  14. Rocket River

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    There is no situation or law or infraction so trivial . . . .that the cops won't kill you for it
    Cops will kill for any reason and get away with it 9 times out of 10
    Interacting with police is like interaction with a Pit bull you don't know
    most times. . .you probably gonna be ok . . but the chance of violence is ever present
    so best just avoid them


    Rocket River
     
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    ^^This^^

    I used to produce educational videos in the 90's and did a ride-along with a Constable in Walker County. At one point, we staged (for a video) a very realistic drug raid with the actual Drug enforcement division and undercover officers from the area. Afterwards, the constable dressed up the crew in the vests and guns (san bullets and clips) so that we could understand what it was like to conduct a raid for ourselves. We stormed the house to find that one of the occupants on the couch had a gun drawn and pointed at us (as did we). The Constable asked me what I should do and I replied "shoot". He told me I was wrong and that even though the gun was drawn and pointed, that shooting immediately was not correct. I don't remember the rest of the conversation, but it was interesting to find out that immediately firing was an overreaction. I think he's still a constable to this day.
     
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  16. JuanValdez

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    If I were to let my emotions get the best of me, who the hell can I vote for that would fix this?
     
  17. El_Conquistador

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    The same could be said for interacting with other groups as well...
     
  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    LOL
     
  19. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    There probably isn't a PD in America that would teach this today.

    Policing is dangerous work that requires a steady hand and unusual bravery.

    Too many cowards running around with badges and guns nowdays.

    They're all drilled with the Kyle Dinkheller video Clockwork Orange style until their capacity to reason is broken.
     

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