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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. Ubiquitin

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  2. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    What's in the three-phase ceasefire deal Hamas backs, but Israel does not?
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-deal-hamas-backs-israel-does-not-2024-05-06/
    May 7, 2024 4:29 AM CDT


    PHASE ONE
    - 42-day ceasefire period
    - Hamas freeing 33 Israeli hostages
    , alive or dead, in return for Israel releasing 30 children and women for each released Israeli hostage, based on lists provided by Hamas according to the earliest date of detention.
    - Starting from the first day of the ceasefire, the entry of intensive and sufficient quantities of humanitarian aid, relief materials, and fuel (600 trucks per day, including 50 fuel trucks, of which 300 are for the north), including the fuel necessary for operating the power plant, trade, and equipment needed for rubble removal, rehabilitation and operation of hospitals, health centres and bakeries in all areas of the Gaza Strip, and the continuation of this in all stages of the agreement.
    - Hamas will release three Israeli hostages on the third day of the agreement, and then release three more hostages every seven days, prioritising women if possible, including civilians and conscripts.
    - In the sixth week, Hamas will release all remaining civilian hostages covered by this phase. In exchange, Israel will release the agreed number of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, according to the lists that will be provided by Hamas.
    – Israel partially withdraws troops from Gaza and allows the free movement of Palestinians from south to north Gaza.
    - Cessation of military flights over the Gaza Strip will take place for 10 hours per day and 12 hours on the day of releasing the hostages and prisoners.
    - On the third day after releasing the first Palestinian prisoners, the Israeli forces will completely withdraw from al-Rashid street in northern Gaza, and all military sites will be dismantled.
    - On the 22nd day of the first phase, Israeli forces will withdraw from the centre of the strip, east of Salah al-Din road to an area near the Israeli border.

    PHASE TWO

    - Another 42-day period that features an agreement to restore a "sustainable calm" to Gaza, language that an official briefed on the talks said Hamas and Israel had agreed in order to take discussion of a "permanent ceasefire" off the table.
    - The complete withdrawal of most Israeli troops from Gaza.
    - Hamas releases Israeli reservists and some soldiers in return for Israel releasing Palestinians from jail.

    PHASE THREE

    - The completion of exchanging bodies and starting the implementation of reconstruction according to the plan overseen by Qatar, Egypt and the United Nations.
    - Ending the complete blockade on the Gaza Strip.
    - Start of the implementation of a 3-5 year plan for reconstruction of the Gaza Strip, including homes, civilian facilities and infrastructure, and compensation for all those affected, under the supervision of a number of countries and organisations including Egypt, Qatar and the United Nations.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Hamas must be ended. No more deals with terrorists.

    The end.
     
  4. Amiga

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    Not an unexpected act from a war cabinet, during a war, but nevertheless, it's against press freedom and Western ideals. N.K, Russia, China, and the likes...

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...ng-to-ban-and-block-al-jazeera-302136222.html

    Following is a statement from Emily Wilkins, president of the National Press Club, and Gil Klein, president of the National Press Club Journalism Institute, on the Sunday decision by the Israeli cabinet to immediately ban Al Jazeera's operations in Israel, seize the international news outlet's local equipment, and block its websites.

    "The decision by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government to shut down Al Jazeera operations in Israel is the wrong one. It is wrong for the people of Israel, for the people of Gaza, for people in the West Bank, and for the rest of the international news network's millions of viewers around the region and world who rely on Al Jazeera's reporting of the nearly seven-month Israel-Hamas war. We fully support Al Jazeera's decision to fight this in court.

    As a democracy, the people of Israel depend upon the free flow of information, particularly right now when the decisions their government is making are so enormously impactful for the future of their country's relationships in the Middle East and with the broader international community.

    Most chilling about this decision is what it will mean for Al Jazeera journalists and crews working and living in Gaza. They are not mentioned in the government decision. By branding Al Jazeera as a national security threat, we are deeply concerned that the Israeli government may view them as legitimate military target. They are not."


    About The National Press Club

    Founded in 1908, the National Press Club is the world's leading professional organization for journalists. The Club has 3,000 members representing nearly every major news organization and is a leading voice for press freedom in the United States and around the world.

    About The National Press Club Journalism Institute

    The National Press Club Journalism Institute promotes an engaged, global citizenry through an independent and free press and equips journalists with the skills and standards to inform the public in ways that inspire a more representative democracy. The NPCJI is the nonprofit affiliate of the National Press Club
     
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    Don’t you fret, Israel will punish Rafah AND the West Bank just to make sure you don’t feel shortchanged.
     
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    Ending hamas is just an excuse to kill more innocent palestines. Might as well wipe palestine off the map and deal with the international aftermath/condemnation afterwards
     
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    Somehow I suspect this is not the end for you.
     
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  8. basso

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    it's a feature, not a bug.
     
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    It's bigotry, not justice.
     
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    nah bro, it's war.
     
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    The goal is not justice. Its to end the threat
     
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    Then it's already a failure. This only creates more animosity and threats. Collective punishment is already a war crime. It's a turd in so many ways.
     
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    It sounds like it’s a good plan but I have very little confidence this will be accepted by both parties and even if it does whether it will be fully abided.
     
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    this is the plan that Hamas has accepted

    I was surprised about P3… didn’t think it was part of any deal yet.
     
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    ...which Hamas started.

    Exactly.
     
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    What a suprise....most Israelis aren't war mongering donkeys like @tallanvor @AroundTheWorld and actually want the hostages back at all cost
     
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    did the utter destruction of Germany and Japan create more animosity and threats?
     
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    IDF had intel about the exact location and time of the attack and refused to respond properly. I love how you keep glancing over this while bootlicking Bibi.

    October 7 should never have happened
     
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    Nope. Also didn't displace most of the population from their homes, and institute different laws, regulations and resource allotment based on ethnicity either. Not comparable at all.

    Of course the treaty of Versailles did create resentment and was an ultimate failure in providing future security.
     

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