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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. Xopher

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    Tell me you dont understand the Founding Fathers never expected there to be 50 states without equal representation in the House w/o telling me. Tell me you don't understand they didn't know what the population density would become w/o telling me.
     
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    He tried and failed. It shouldn't be allowed to be a practice run where he can fix the parts that didn't work for him.

    Based on historical record, his administration did things legally and illegally to try and erase the legitimate vote.

    Based in historical record the transfer wasn't peaceful and the certification wasn't able to take place on Jan. 6th and didn't actually happen until Jan 7th.
     
  3. mtbrays

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    I understand the system perfectly well. Every state gets two senators. Given population trends and political polarization, it stands to reason that 30 states could control 60 senate seats yet be out-of-step with what the majority of Americans want.
     
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  4. HTM

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    Did he not voluntarily and peacefully leave the White House and get on a plane and go somewhere else? Or was he removed by force? I don't recall him refusing to leave and being removed by force.

    I don't recall hearing or reading any statements that Trump attempted to persuade the director of the FBI, CIA or the Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff to mobilize their departments/forces to maintain his administration by force... did I miss that?

    Did he act properly and how I would have preferred? No. Was Democracy about to end or in any real danger? I see no evidence of that. I see no evidence any major parts of State were willing to support or maintain his administration.

    I see evidence 2000 idiots led by a Qanon shaman sat in the Capital building for a few hours and then left.

    Some coup.
     
  5. HTM

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    Doesn't sound like business as usual or something I support.

    Doesn't mean Democracy was close to ending. There's no indication that Trump had the support of the military, law enforcement or any major part of the government to help maintain his administration beyond his term of office.

    And then, you know, he got on his plane and left.. nobody dragged him out of the building.
     
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    I was told Trump would end democracy in his first administration.

    Now I'm being told it's going to happen in his second administration "for real"

    I don't believe you. Elections were held during the first Trump administration, the results were confirmed, the Trump administration lost during the mid-terms those results were confirmed, the Trump administration held a national election, lost, those results were confirmed and Trump got on his plane and left after transferring power to the Biden administration.

    Trump didn't refuse to leave office.

    Trump didn't call the commander of the 101st Airborne and tell him to deploy his forces to D.C. to maintain his administration.

    Trump got on his plane and left.

    If Trump wins in 2024 I have no reason to think he won't govern for 4 years and then get on his plane and leave again. If he doesn't, I'll be happy to denounce that.
     
  7. B-Bob

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    Honestly? Two things.

    1. His own basic laziness and incompetence (see: bankrupting a casino, Trump steaks, multiple bankruptcies, etc).
    2. Over half his advisors / cabinet members turning against him, parenting him, controlling his worst instincts.

    #1 would happen in his second term. #2 probably will not. He will just put completely stupid and 100% obedient people around him this time.

    So, even though we may disagree on specifics: I don't think Trump can end democracy because he's just too dumb and lazy, but the movement of worshipping an individual, while ignoring most basic facts and the ideas of policy discussions? Yeah, that's what our founders were worried about and it can (and probably will) herald the end of our little 200 year democracy experiment.

    I kind of agree with @justtxyank that it's already basically over. About 30% or more of our population believes Trump won the last election or at least should be able to claim that, and those 30% would be totally happy if he (or the next FOX-supported version of him) just declared himself emperor. When you have more than a fringe element embrace such things, and one whole party officially sign on for that, then how can you even call it a democracy?
     
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    Trump did not voluntarily leave office. He did voluntarily leave the White House.

    Again, if you believe that all that happened were the criminal rioters at the congressional building, you should look up the information about the fake electors, plans to have congress vote on the President by state which is the only way he could win. You should research the meetings leading up to Jan. 6th, the violence the rioters instigated upon law enforcement, etc.
     
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    you have no idea what you're talking about. at the time of the constitution the states had unequal population distribution, just as they do today. the House was never supposed to have equal representation among the states. it was designed in precisely the opposite manner: to account for unequal population among the states. that's the whole point of our federalist system of government.
     
  10. basso

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    we live in a republic, not a democracy.
     
  11. basso

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    this might be the dumbest thing yet posted in the D&D.

    truly, astonishing.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    If by "dumbest" you mean entirely accurate with the evidence already on record, then yes, it makes sense.
     
  13. basso

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    your post literally contradicts itself.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Lol.

    Not surprised you don't get it.
     
  15. Xopher

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    No the size of the house was supposed to expand porportionally with the size of the population. It did throughout the years until 1929 until Congress voted not to.
     
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    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
     
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  17. Xopher

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    A federal democratic republic. We do have majority wins on local and state issues. A republic is a form of democracy. Please educate yourself and stop spouting "We aren't a democracy. We are a Republic!"
     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    perhaps you have not yet taken your high school's civics class.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    We live in a democratic republic.
     
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