I am shocked (shouldn't be) that this is even up for debate, you give trump immunity now and if takes the WH we all better be ready for him to never leave. And I would tell all of his enemies to stay away from the top floor of any building near a window, cause accidents will begin to happen mysteriously.................he wants to putin, plain and simple and our own SCOTUS just might help him
Who's going to force trump to follow Supreme court rulings either? He'll be controlling every law enforcement branch in the government. He'll be completely unchecked
Also Congress does not have law enforcement capabilities. If lets say Joe Biden orders Seal Team 6 to assassinate Trump on December 10th after losing the election, and Congress impeaches Joe Biden... even if Congress does vote to convict, they still need someone to evict Joe Biden, or arrest him if he does not do so. If Joe Biden has loyalists at the DOJ, and in the military, the Congress has no enforcement mechanism to make their impeachment actually happen. It's just words on paper with no enforcement capability. This is why it's so dangerous what Alito, Thomas, and co. are going to sign off on here. You are telling the sitting President or a Future President that you have absolute power, and the only check is really a fake check on your power because that check on your power has no enforcement capability. You as the President control the enforcement.... why would I ever leave??? Seriously Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, and it looks like Roberts (which is insane that he has become so radicalized as of late) are hammering the death nail into Democracy right now. It's only a question now as to what the voters will do in November, and then honestly... I hate to say it, but a question of what Biden does if he loses. I doubt he would just say screw it I'm staying, but SCOTUS is telling him loud and clear that he absolutely has the power to just stay, and become a king. We are seriously living in insane times.
But don't you know Joe biden is 81?! We have to let the 78 year old facist win cuz biden is too old!!!
Looking good for President Trump's case in front of SCOTUS, based on the justices' questions and commentary today. Even the 3 liberal justices seemed to hint that some form of immunity is appropriate. The most likely outcome is striking the lower court's decision and sending this back to the trail court. At that point, the delays will stretch well into 2025. Bottom line: You can't have a President who is open to politically-motivated prosecution in the future if you want to have bold, fearless actions taken on behalf of our country. Liberals have once again abused the legal system and the public has lost faith in federal prosecutors' ability to act in a non-partisan manner. Yet another institution whose standing is lowered by Democrats' bad behavior. Even Justice Roberts mocked the protections of a grand jury -- especially when dealing with liberal prosecutors and DOJ's whose motivations are political and not the pursuit of justice.
Giving the president any form of immunity is stupid as fk. No one is suppose to b above the law. Check of balance and power means jack sht if these justices rule in Trump's favor.
Do the die hard Trumpers want that man in power so bad that they are at the point of believing it will be better allowing a President to run this country like a criminal enterprise if they please? Don't people realize what absolute immunity means? It gives the President full immunity from prosecution for breaking the law. What if that person is a criminal, con, or traitor to the country who doesn't care about right and wrong, if they get what they want? It's like handing a mob boss the keys to the kingdom, to rule as he pleases. It's not just about protecting one man or woman, but about protecting our country and our people from being ruled by someone who spits on the law or on Democracy. If you can't prosecute a leader for rigging or stealing future elections, then you are no longer a country with a leader chosen by the people. If you can't prosecute a leader for sharing top secret info with whoever they please at home and abroad, it puts us all at risk. If that leader can't be prosecuted for anything, then you hand them the golden ticket to riches in their personal life and businesses by allowing them freedom from prosecution for profiting illegally. You give them freedom from prosecution for inciting others to kill, or putting a target on someone's back they want to disappear. The dangers of giving anyone absolute immunity are real. I think it's absolutely crazy to want to give any leader the freedom to break the laws we all have to obey. Why would anyone want to make any one person above the law? That's crazy.
Everyone loves dictators. . . . until they are no longer in the dictator's favor The Crime Syndicate Rocket River
Listening to some of the post analysis yesterday there is a lot of good reason for concern. This definitely seems like a situation where the Justices might not agree to complete immunity but it does look like they will slow walk the case and have the appeals court rehear it. For practical purposes this would be a win for Trump.
These conservative justices aren't really thinking the long term consequences giving any president any form of immunity just to help trump. All it take is one evil person to become president and we become a dictatorship but what do they care, they won't live long enough to see that happen.
If this was only possible https://preview.redd.it/checkmate-your-move-b****es-v0-0gzqglxnotwc1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=47bb94dd3d14381a302890478a060ba433c48cc2
War time powers is already stretching it for ambigious Forever Wars on Terror. Giving blanket immunity for Trump seems to be a prelude to civil war. The whole impeachment+conviction by congress ruse as a "check" is flimsy given how we've never had a conviction. One side will not tolerate an unchecked president of the other. Biden, via Weekend At Bernies, takes control of the presidency for life. Hands it over to Empress Kamala and former lover/concubine Hunter Biden. Game. Blouses.
i really cant wait to see the mental gymnastics these justices do to rule in favor of granting any form of immunity to any president
My bet is the maga supreme court will push this back to the lower court because (1) they are cowards and (2) they want to protect trump. Then, they will quickly bring it back up for consideration since they don't want any other president to benefit from their crime protection actions.
I agree and was one reason why I was very uncomfortable with arguments like the unitary executive but forward by people like John Yoo. The current argument being made by Trump’s lawyers go farther than that’s it’s not about war powers but about actions to benefit the person of the president without being under war. To accept that argument wouldn’t just be that Presidents assasinate foreign leaders or torture prisoners of war but that presidents could do so to domestic political rivals. Agree. Granting immunity to the office of the Presidency would mean the current president could also behave a dictator with no legal consequence.
