Yes. True. Though the 48 war was already going strong before there was an official Israel. Both sides had wiped out and attacked the others
Oh I know. It was sarcasm. Go buy a house on the South Side of Chicago, move in, then tell me Jews don't live in Gaza because they aren't wanted there.
A lot of Jews wanted to live in Gaza very recently. The 12,000 that were forcibly removed from their homes in 2005 by the Israeli govt. during its' Disengagement were not very happy about leaving. Israel totally evacuated Jews and military installations under the orders of Ariel Sharon. Elections were held the following year. Hamas was elected, started it's oppressive sharia rule and in 15 years built up the world's largest terrorist base. As far as not many "White" people in 3rd world countries, I'm not so sure about that. I'm also not sure what you consider third world countries, but there 7 million "white" people living in Mexico and another 30 or 40 mil who are 40-70% "white." A lot in Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina although not as impoverished as Haiti and many sub-saharan African nations. You also have former Soviet Republics like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Bosnia, Ukraine, Tajikistan, Moldova, Kosovo...all with a GDP per capita lower than or similar to the Dominican Republic and Gabon. Also, the current land of Israel was basically third world before the first aliyah when immigrating Jews turned the fallen Ottoman, backwater, untenable land into an agricultural oasis which also led to a large Arab immigration due to improved economic and living conditions from 1920-1947 as the mortality rate among Palestinians dropped and the average lifespan doubled. Although, I think the OP is more referring to the Jews not living in Gaza for the same reason there are almost no Jews (and not many Christians and infidels) living in Islamic Republics and states. As well as why Jews, Christians, infidels and indigenous people are not currently safe in many parts of Africa.
All borders and who can and cannot enter Gaza is controlled by the Israeli's - as are any contracts for commerce and business. Gaza and all of Palestine has been set up to fail - and I understand their is a viable argument that Israel believes it needs to be the way it is - but it doesn't change the fact it was set up to fail.
How many Palestinians were forced out of Israel? The answer is 85% or about 750,000. Also - there are plenty of Jews living in Palestinian lands - they just steal the land and push the Arabs out - they are in fact still actively stealing land from the Arabs. The Palestinian and Israel situation is messy business, just like the situation has been in South Africa and the USA 200 years ago.
"I watched with glee While your kings and queens Fought for ten decades For the gods they made" The Stones Still fighting over who's sky daddy is the only sky daddy. SMH
Eventually Israel will b the last one standing and the mental gymnastics to defend the atrocities and killing of innocent people would b Olympic level.
Yes - Israel would have no problem finding Jews to fill the West Bank and Gaza. Israel encourages settlement in general. As for Hamas - it doesn't exist without the support of Israel, going back to the 1970's. Israel was so concerned about the secular Fatah party and cracking down on it - that it allowed the Islamic Brotherhood and other similar minded parties to operate in the complete open in Gaza. Israel did not only tolerate Islamic extremism - they actually collaborated with people like Ahmed Yassin in an effort to cause confusion in the region and to undercut the secular movement of Arrafat. Israel gave money and support to Yassin and encouraged him to open schools, including Islamic College of Gaza. Israel knew it was an extremist organization and funded it. The organization founded and supported by Yassin became Hamas. Then concerning the 2005 elections in Gaza - at the time Israel had complete control of the waterways, borders, who came and left Gaza, they controlled commerce and the governmental entities - in other words it was a very oppressive time for Gazans. Hamas never won a majority of the voters in Gaza, they won a plurality by 3% over the Fatah party which recognized Israel's right to exist. The system of government was a plurality system with a divided system of rule. What happened was that the Hamas party took over the Gazan strip and declared themselves as the permanent rulers - which is not what the Gazans voted for. Furthermore - the hawkish leaders in Israel continued to support Hamas leading up to the October Massacre - all in an attempt to limit the power of the more moderate Abbas. Why would Israeli powerbrokers do that? Why would they oppose a two state solution and also support a political group calling for an Islamic war against Israel over a more moderate Palestinian party that recognized the right for Israel to exist? CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING - and it is conveniently forgotten when we have strong opinions about topics. Israel played a large part in creating and nurturing Hamas and extremism..... are they completely responsible for it? No - but they played a big part. Further - over half of Palestinians were not even alive when there last was a free election in Gaza. Even then - the majority of Palestinians did not support or vote for Hamas - and most of those that supported Hamas surely did not know they would overthrow democracy in the region. Even US intelligence shows that most of Palestine does not support Hamas. I don't know what the relevance of this is - ultimately it is not a fair comparison. If the USA started taking land from Mexico, and establishing safe areas - there would be Americans that would gladly move in. Okay? The British played a huge part in the success of the area starting in the 1920's as resources, troops and money was sent there. Also - I do not doubt that life spans increased for Arabs between 1920 and 1947 - but keep in mind that we have highly unreliable information pre-1950 and lifespans were already increasing by that point. Islamic Republics are in general not terribly safe places for non-muslims, and we are going through a period of extremism. Some of that is geo-political for sure, but I cannot claim to know all the reasons why. As for Africa - it is a similar story, but it isn't just Islamic in nature when it comes to Africa.
Reading your post I just have to giggle. Never engage with a low IQs person. You dropped some facts there and I’m pretty sure they went over his head.
Remember when some asshat like @right1 or atw tries to sell this as evil Muslims vs the rest of the world when it comes to Israel: 84% of Christian Palestinians fear the IDF will ethnically cleanse them. Remember that
Asshat? Lol why are you always calling me and other people ugly names. Nothing I posted was controversial or untrue.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...s-growing-84-satisfied-with-life-here-report/ Israel’s Christian community is growing, 84% satisfied with life here – report Pre-Christmas study finds high education levels, contrasts with warnings from Church leaders that ‘radical’ Israeli groups are driving Christians from Holy Land. Israel’s Christian community grew by 1.4 percent in 2020 and numbers some 182,000 people, with 84% saying they were satisfied with life in the country. Christians make up 7% of Israel’s Arab population, and 76.7% of Christians in Israel are Arab. The statistics revealed that Arab Christian women had some of the highest education rates in the country. It showed that 53.1% of Arab Christians and 35.4% of non-Arab Christians went on to get a bachelor’s degree after finishing high school, compared to 34% of the total number of high school graduates in the Arab school system and 47.2% of all high school graduates in Hebrew education. “The proportion of women among the Christian students was higher than the women’s proportion among the total number of students in all degrees and particularly in advanced degrees: 64.1% and 53.2%, respectively, of those studying for a PhD, and 72.9% and 63.8%, respectively, of those studying for a master’s degree,” the report found. The report also found lower numbers of Christians signing up for unemployment benefits compared to the Jewish and Muslim populations. According to the CBS, 84% of Christians are satisfied with their life: 24% answered “very satisfied” and 60% were “satisfied.” The number of Christians in Gaza on Oct. 7 was down to about 950. The number of Christians in West Bank and East Jerusalem have dwindled down significantly to only 40,000.
I'm referring to Christian Palestinians who aren't citizens of Israel. https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep25112 Here are some questions Christian Palestinians answered in a poll. Does any of the following possible Israeli policies or measures cause you or your family fear or concern? Q24-1. An Israeli annexation of Palestinian territories 1. Yes 67.0% 2. No 31.6% 3. DK/NA 1.4% Q24-2. Continuation of the Israeli occupation 1. Yes 73.1% 2. No 25.3% 3. DK/NA 1.6% Q24-3. An Israeli expulsion of the Palestinian population 1. Yes 84.0% 2. No 15.1% 3. DK/NA .9% Q24-4. Denial by Israel of your civil rights 1. Yes 83.2% 2. No 16.1% 3. DK/NA .7% Q24-5. Settler attacks 1. Yes 83.0% 2. No 16.1% 3. DK\NA .9%
Speaking out in the slightest in defense of Israel can get even moderate Muslims in Palestine accused of supporting and collaborating with the enemy and, thus, tortured and executed. And Christians? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/christians-in-the-palestinian-authority Since the time of the Oslo peace process, violence and persecution against Palestinian Christians has been steadily on the rise. Relations between the Muslims and Christians in the areas under PA control have deteriorated, with thousands of Christians fleeing their holy sites and ancestral properties to live elsewhere. For the Christian population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, life under the thumb of the Islamists threatens their existence as a community and has forced many to flee their homes. Israel is home to some 150,000 Christians, of which 80% are Arabs, constituting 2.1% of the total population. Israel is the only country in the Middle East that welcomes Christians, offers them freedom of worship and consequently is the one place in the region where the Christian population has grown. By contrast, the Christian population of the Palestinian territories has declined precipitously from 15 percent in 1950 to less than 2 percent today. Nablus, home to more than 3,000 Christians just 40 years ago, is now a community of 700. numbers 12 families. “We are preparing to move abroad to a place where we can live a better life as Christians,” said Reverend Dahoud Dimitry, head of Tulkaram’s Saint George Greek Orthodox Church, which was burned to the ground in the September 2006 riots following the publication of cartoons depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammad in Danish newspapers. The Christian population of Bethlehem, the ancient biblical town that has been the destination for Christian pilgrims for nearly two millennia, has fallen below 20 percent. Christians there still have not forgotten the siege of the 1,400-year-old Church of the Nativity, the sacred birthplace of Jesus, by 100 militiamen loyal to PA Chairman Yasser Arafat in 2002. They held dozens hostage, including priests and nuns, desecrated bibles, emptied the church coffers, and lit sections of the centuries-old church on fire. The former mayor of Bethlehem, Hanna Nasser, has said bluntly, “There is no future for Christians.” Reverend Tomey Dahoud, head of the Greek Orthodox Church in Taubus, a city near Jenin, agreed. “The Islamic people want to kill us. That’s their principle and belief. They don’t want Christians in this country. They don’t want to hear our names; they don’t want to see us. That’s the reality.” His church was firebombed in the September 2006 riots. Even in Ramallah, considered the most liberal city under Palestinian control, threats against Christians are commonplace. Pastor Isa Bajalia, an evangelical Arab-American pastor, living in Ramallah since 1991 with his wife and son, was threatened repeatedly by a Fatah security official from the Tanzim militia. The official tried to bribe Bajalia, demanding $30,000 in turn for protection. As a result of the threats, Bajalia was forced to flee to nearby Jerusalem. Relations between Palestinian Christians and Muslims have deteriorated in the decade under PA rule. The situation has grown especially precarious in Gaza since Hamas’ rise to power in January 2006, with the imposition of shari’ah, or Islamic, law making life unbearably difficult for Gaza’s Christian population. Attacks against holy sites and individuals has become commonplace since Hamas’ takeover. In the most recent attack, unknown assailants detonated a bomb outside a Christian school in Gaza City in May 2008. This was not the first bombing of the Zahwa Rosary School, which was previously ransacked in June 2007 during an intense week of fighting that ultimately ended with Hamas’ seizure of power. A school official out into words what many Christians living in Gaza feel: “We don’t feel safe. There’s no security here.” The failure of Hamas to fully investigate these incidences, as well as others in the past, are serious cause for concern for Gaza’s Christian residents. In January 2008, a convoy of some 400 Christians left Gaza for Bethlehem, and did not plan on returning. Other Christians say they plan to flee once the borders are reopened. About 2,000 Christians remain in Gaza among 1.5 million people Muslims. Most Christians are college-educated professionals who work as engineers, doctors, and merchants, and live in the Rimal section of Gaza City. In the entire Gaza Strip, there are only five small Christian chapels, a Christian school, and a bible store. cartoon depicting the prophet Mohammed. In June 2007, Muslim extremists attacked and destroyed the Rosary Sisters School and the Latin Church in Gaza City. The intruders burned copies of the Bible. The increased number of attacks on Gaza’s Christians has caused many to say they fear for their lives. “Christians can’t openly wear their crosses outside. In the streets, because of the pressure, our women have started to cover their heads like the Muslims. Our people have become afraid,” explained Reverend Hanna Massad, pastor of the Gaza Baptist Church. “There is pressure and discrimination on all levels for all of the Christians in Gaza.” Rami Ayyad owned a religious bookstore in Gaza. He had been involved in numerous charitable organizations and was also a member of the Baptist Church. His store and charity organization, the Bible Society, had been a frequent target of Muslim extremists. A grenade was thrown at the building during protests over the publication of a Danish cartoon that depicted the prophet Mohammed. Ayyad had also received continuous death threats for his perceived missionary work. He was married with two small children, and was just two weeks shy of his 30th birthday when he was found shot in the head and stabbed multiple times 10 hours after he was kidnapped from his store. One Christian leader expressed his fear after months of increased attacks: “This latest incident is aimed at sending a message to all the Christians here that we must leave. Radical Islamic groups are waging a campaign to get rid of us and no one seems to care.” Many in Gaza’s tiny Christian community, including the Baptist Church’s full-time pastor and twelve of Ayyad’s bookstore employees, fled to the West Bank to escape further violence. The head of Gaza’s Roman Catholic Church, Rev. Mauel Musallem, said he knows seven families that sold their properties in Gaza and left for safer pastures in the aftermath of Ayyad’s slaying. Fifteen more were preparing to do the same, he said. gunfight broke when her family attempted to take her from the house where she was staying. “It was a real war,” said Faise Omar, the father of the man who brought the girl to the village. “It was not just a war over the couple. It was a war between Muslims and Christians.” Other reports of kidnapping and forced conversion are equally disturbing. A Christian professor, Sana al-Sayegh, who teaches at Palestine Univerity in Gaza City was kidnapped by Hamas militiamen and forced against her will to convert to Islam in June 2007. The President of the university, Dr. Zaher Khail, reportedly assisted the armed gunmen in their operation, as well as Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh.
And again that was the 1940’s this is the 2020’s Japan at the time was the third most powerful country in the World. I don’t think you even believe that Hamas is comparable In anyway to Israel as a military power. Also as stated the US built up Japan after the war. The US didn’t cripple Japan’s economy or undermine the recognized government of Japan by supporting extremists groups. For the record I saw and liked Galloway’s appearance in Morning Joe and think he was very spot on regarding his overall discussion of economic problems that young people are facing and the social crisis that many men are facing.
