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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Imagine if people got banned for not being able to humanize entire groups of humans rather than uttering singular words that trigger.


    But the former would be censorship of speech right? Not the latter.

    You should be banned for your takes also.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    What actual arguments have you formed?
     
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    Just focusing on the water issue for Gaza, I posted research & info 300 pages ago about how non-Hamas Gazans feel about how Hamas had taken over control of the water wells and most of the aquifer supply in the last 15 years. I will look for that and post again.

    But....just focusing on the water issue. The new desalination plant in Corpus has a proposed cost of $550M and will produce 70M gallons of water a day. The new one in SoCal will produce 150M gpd, enough to supply H2O for 1 million people.

    Imagine if just the the top 3 Hamas leaders' had not stolen a total of $16 Billion? Ismael Haniyeh, for example, has never held a job other than working for Hamas, yet has an estimated net worth of $6 Billion. With that $ alone, a solution to the water issues could have been solved for generations of Gazans to come.

    Now, add the cost of building a 500 mile underground tunnel system, procuring weapons and rockets and turning the entire strip into a terrorist base and add that to the $16 billion stolen by Haniyeh, Mashal & Marzuk and that is a large sum of money that could have transformed the lives of Gazan citizens.

    But, there are also the human rights issues with strict sharia law and rule implemented by Hamas. Gaza did have nice things such as water parks which Hamas bombed because of coed swimming, stadiums that women were banned from going to, etc, etc.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    So Gazans can build infrastructure with boxes of diapers and food crates?


    Israel doesn't allow construction material into Gaza. No amount of money corrupt Hamas leaders have isn't going to magically create new engineering feets of rebuilding buildings with empty food crates.


    The tunnel system is mostly been already existing from when Isreeli settlers lived in Gaza and the IDF dug those tunnels. Smuggling of materials is what allowed Hamas to reinforce and expand some tunnel networks but smuggling in construction material is not what is going to allow Gazans to rebuild their society to where children aren't walking around or over rubble their entire lives.
     
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    I do have a question for you.

    Are Christian Palestinians brainwashed by sharia law to allow them to believe that the IDF are oppressors?

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep25112


    Here are some questions Christian Palestinians answered in a poll.

    Does any of the following possible Israeli policies or measures cause you or
    your family fear or concern?

    Q24-1. An Israeli annexation of Palestinian territories
    1. Yes 67.0%
    2. No 31.6%
    3. DK/NA 1.4%

    Q24-2. Continuation of the Israeli occupation
    1. Yes 73.1%
    2. No 25.3%
    3. DK/NA 1.6%

    Q24-3. An Israeli expulsion of the Palestinian population
    1. Yes 84.0%
    2. No 15.1%
    3. DK/NA .9%

    Q24-4. Denial by Israel of your civil rights
    1. Yes 83.2%
    2. No 16.1%
    3. DK/NA .7%

    Q24-5. Settler attacks
    1. Yes 83.0%
    2. No 16.1%
    3. DK\NA .9%
     
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    I already mentioned Hamas corruption. But the issues go deeper. Greater population caused by Israeli seizures of land, and forcing Palestinians to relocate there, while Israel takes 75% of the available groundwater from the Coastal Aquifer. This was all prior to the recent conflict. Those kinds of drains violate International water law. I will link the actual text of the law for you, here.
    https://www.un.org/law/cod/watere.htm

    Israel's military ordinance prior to Oct. 7th already required Palestinians to request authorization from the Israeli military. The Palestinians "governing" Gaza don't have control over so much of it. In addition any materials needed to further develop water infrastructure have to be imported which is controlled by Israel.

    As I said, corruption and misappropriation of funds by Gazan officials certainly play a part in the water issues. I mentioned that in the first post. But with Israel violating international walls and having so much control over the water allotment for the Palestinians of Gaza, it is absolutely not entirely the fault of the Palestinians limited government. Israel shares blame for the conditions and are doing it on purpose even though allowing water for the Palestinians in Gaza isn't a security risk for Israel.

    Discussing what plants in the U.S. where local and federal authorities have control over imports, resources etc. isn't really comparable to what is happening with the water in Gaza.
     
  7. thegary

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    Yup, hamas is all about grievance and revenge.
    Kinda like the Donald…
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    The average Gazan was definitely born into a real estate empire where their parents gave them 400 million dollar inheritance.
     
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    I said nothing of Gazans or Palestinians in general. Just pointing out the common political strategies of DJT and terrorist and authoritarian entities.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    You are saying that the concept of a group of humans having their basic healthy of needs suppressed form multiple generations creating massive deaths of ptsd'd out humans with Nihilistic thoughts where some of them resort to terroristic actions is equivalent of a spoiled real estate tycoon.

    It's still a stupid analogy.
     
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    Look at all those golden toilets.
     
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    I’m saying that the Donald feels as aggrieved as they do, which makes him the most narcissistic person who ever lived. Don’t be so nit picky. He has had all the privileges and still, thinks like they do. If you believe Hamas cares about anyone but themselves, you are delusional.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Israelis care about no one but themselves and same with Palestinians. This is a rather empty platitude that says nothing from you.
     
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    Such a beautiful Day, can't wait for the fireworks to start, I hope the fun spreads evenly




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    "Palestinians".
     
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    It's not just about "being corrupt and stealing funds". There are plenty of governments like that, if not the majority of them. The difference here is that this "government's" entire reason for its existence is literally to murder Jews and try to eradicate Israel. So the top priority is always to direct resources towards that. Everything else is secondary. Education (outside of indoctrination with Jew hate), (non-terror) infrastructure, everything.

    They blame all their own failures on Israel and "the Jews".

    That is the reason for their problems. Nothing else.
    They got more aid than most of Africa combined.

    They just used most of it to build for terror.

    They are Jihadists.

    Stop sugarcoating it.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    This is equivalent of making an excuse that it's moral to displace a white suburban family in Massachusetts because their ancestral DNA analysis shows they are part German and British.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    The population in Gaza has grown massively.

    Jews in Arab countries got displaced.

    And by the way, something nobody is talking about is that since October 7, way over 100,000 Israelis (Jews, Muslims, Christians, other) have been displaced due to nonstop rocket attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    How many Jewish refugee camps are there today?
    The population of Gaza has mostly grown from migration of displaced Palestinians because Gaza is essentially a large refugee camp as 80% of the population are direct children of refugees.

    A lot of Jewish people in Israel leave because many Israeli citizens are dual nationals who if some increased turmoil or conflict happens in Israel, they can go to their US residence home or visit their family in Europe. Isreeli citizens have a freedom of movement Gazans only can dream of.

    When Gazans are displaced it's to refugee camps, when Israelis leave they visit relatives or go to their second residence somewhere in Europe or North America.

    Most Jewish people who migrated after 1947 into Israel from Muslim countries did it because the new state of Israel promised them land and property while also being part of a new nation where they are the ethnic majority. Some Arab countries expelled Jews in retaliation for 1947 but they expelled them to Israel where they are promised land and property, not god damn refugee camps.
     
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    perpetual victim status

    Bella Hadid is classified as a "refugee", believe it or not.
     

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