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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    L O L western democracy future does not rest in Israel you donkey. Israel has nukes and they'll be fine either way. Quit playing the victim card. Ukraine and eastern europen is where the future of democracy lays not in israel.

    The pro israel folks love to paint eveything in a doomesday religious sense. Hilarious
     
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    Remember when you continually posted neonazi KKK stuff during the obama administration? Yea shutup, nobody thinks you care about hostages or even daily Israeli citizens. The only thing greater than your lack of decency as a humanbeing is your intelligence and inability to articulate anything beyond twats tweeting

    Way to support the massacre of christians shortly after easter. You and the genocidal maniacs have an insatiable hunger for mangled , mutilated children

     
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    It's hilarious how you think tucker is the leading voice in MAGA. Tom cotton who trump has his eyes on as defense secretary said today that Israel has the right to starve Palestinians

     
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    fake fake fake as all the Hamas lies
     
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    Cotton is one of the most reprehensible humans alive. He would sell out his own mother for aipac money

    I think you need to stop with labels if you would like to understand the state of affairs

    There are those that prioritize the US…and those that don’t
     
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    Of course - and the liberal numbskulls all completely put 100 percent faith in everything Hamas puts out - maybe this should give them pause as it should- Hamas is as close to human demons as there ever existed on Earth. They want nothing more than death and genocide of Jews - Oct 7 was only a glimpse of what they wish they could achieve everyday if the opportunity presented itself - Israel literally had no choice but to go in and eradicate these animals -

    this mindset is demonstrated when a pro Hamas Gazan adult that pushed their own children on video towards a IDF soldier hoping they would be killed - Of course the best thing is it worked against him and the world could see what real evil was on display and that child wanted nothing to do with the hate- please name any group of people with this same mentality? To be so willing to sacrifice their children if needed to hurt Israel

    This is what Israel is dealing with and it's past time to flush Hamas
     
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    #FlushHamas
     
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    This is why reading the actual source of the tweets is important.


    This is the original article these chain of tweets are solely based on:
    https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/0...th-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/

    In the article this is the part that is objective in the sense that there isn't any analyzing or commenting. It's just stating what is:


    The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records.

    That is the actual objective part.

    Now comes the "analysis" part:


    "The sudden shifts in the ministry's reporting methods suggest it is scrambling to prevent exposure of its shoddy work. For months, U.S. media have taken for granted that the ministry's top-line figure for casualties was reliable enough to include in daily updates on the war. Even President Biden has cited its numbers. Now we're seeing that a third or more of the ministry's data may be incomplete at best and fictional at worst" David Adesnik, Senior Fellow and Director of Research

    Notice a few things. There is no analysis here. This is a neo conservative saying that because the Gazan health ministry is missing something like the date of birth or some other piece of information that means that those deaths are lies. This person's "analysis"doesn't go beyond this. This isn't analysis. It's an option column by a someone who probably thinks of Palestine as subhuman.

    In fact this think tanks
     
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    And to add at the end of the day, the IDF can simply allow independent war correspondents and journalists to be in Gaza and confirm for themselves. Hamas is very open to allowing western journalists to roam Gaza to see things for themselves. The IDF however isn't. Ask yourself why.
     
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    I can think of two reasons off the top of my head.

    1) Strategically Hamas benefits from having more non-combatants, especially foreigners (and especially Westerners/Americans), in Gaza. These are effectively obstacles that any enemy force must avoid and so Hamas can use that to their advantage militarily.

    2) Journalist, especially in the West, is one of the most liberal-by-nature occupations in the world. Liberals are more sympathetic to the Palestinians and so they can be relied upon on balance to be more negative towards Israel in their reporting.
     
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/s/gGa8gSigAk

    That is the generic American liberal above.

    Leftists maybe is the term you are looking for?


    The IDF doesn't need obstacles. Lavender AI reporting has shown a pretty clear explicit picture of how the IDF masks genocide with "targeting militants"

    The reporting shows that the IDF will purposefully wait for low ranking Hamas militants equivalent of an e-3 enlisted guy in the US military to go to their homes with family and non combatants to drop ordinance. They purposefully wait for them to arrive home. That is explicit war crimes.

    And for senior officials equivalent of officer ranks in the US military? 300 civilians is the cut off point for acceptable collateral. More explicit war crimes not in just reported documentation of actions in Gaza but literally within their criteria for how they determine targeting.
     
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    Also thanks for admitting that the IDF blockades journalistic reporting in Gaza because of a fear of bias of journalists.

    I think a smart propagandist wouldn't say that part out loud. They'd say something like "Hamas is full of rapist murderers and for the safety of western journalists many of whom are women, we cannot as a moral military allow journalists to be in Gaza for their own safety and well being".

    Just a piece of advice on how to properly bootlick fascist regimes.
     
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