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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    whatever
     
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    Im sure if offered in trade, the Rockets would make that trade without hesitation
     
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    No, they wouldn’t.
    Chet would be a great piece next to Alp, Paolo is a good piece but he’s not better than Alp
     
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    That's not an adequate response. However, I just don't see him as dominant as those players.
     
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    Alpi is a piece to a puzzle. Chet has a chance to be the puzzle and so does Banchero
     
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    Alp has a chance to be the Guy, more so than the others.
    Alp is better than Paolo by every metric.
    And Chet is super efficient but isn’t asked to do what Alp and Paolo are asked to do.
     
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    Palo is an elite scorer, the same way Sengun is an elite passer but those are their only major skills. In that case, I think most GMs would chose the scorer.

    Chet offers elite trait on both sides of the ball, if he ever reachs his potential
     
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    Again, Alp is literally better than Paolo by every metric. Specially offensively
     
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    I dont know how anyone who has watched 15 years of NBA ball cant see that AlP at 21 is on a trajectory to become a franchise guy. Franchise guys dont become that until like 24/25 when theyre entering their athletic prime. Hell a 21 year old D. Sabonis was DOG WATER. Sabonis didnt become THIS guy till he was age 24.

    Now imagine 3 more PRO LEVEL years of Sengun, and tell me he wont be bodying Sabonis age 24 stats too.

    Sengun is THE guy, and will continue to be THE guy going forward.

    You KNOW Udoka loves the kid when every single possession ALP touches the ball at least once. Cant say the same for Jalen.
     
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    People were saying the same nonsense about Jokic not being a franchise guy either … even during last season. Keep hating.
     
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    Yeah, even after Jokic won the MVP, people still said that a team built around his type of player wouldn't win it all, until he did win it all.
     
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    You are totally right. Fewer point on a worse FG% with more TO screams the better scorer...
     
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    Based on the eye test it seems Udoka loves both kids (JG4/ALP), based on minutes played and usage/shots per game they get to showcase

    Maybe we are just watching the games from a diff lens, but it seems Jalen brings the ball up a good amount of time each game, even with VV on the floor, so that counts as touching the ball on a possession

    The two man game of ALP/Jalen is legit as well, which is shared with VV as Sengun sets screens all throughout the game for both, but more so for VV because Jalen can blow by his defender without a screen at any given moment

    You are always going to need a post up player to somewhat balance out this 3pt heavy era, and Sengun is that dude, and Ime is from old school cloth, so he is smart enough to let his best post player touch the ball a lot, especially one who has the vision like Sengun

    Tilman/Stone are banking on both of them to be the guy (dynamic duo)
     
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    Paul Pierce said

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    He could be a player that averages 25-10-6 for a decade. It might not meet your definition of a franchise player, but it is certainly a foundational player.
     
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    what do you mean you don’t see him as dominant as those players? The comparison should be made at 21yo those players numbers vs senguns.
     
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    Uh, No! Palo can do more. He can score inside and outside and he can playmake just as well, if not better than Sengun.
     
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    Your definition of franchise player is different than others' definition of fp. A franchise player doesn't have to be a superstar. He will never be a superstar like Harden but neither will 99% of the young players in the league. Is Barnes ever gonna be Giannis? No but it is their cornerstone. Trae, Mobley, Wagner, LaMelo, Markkanen, RJ,Scoot aren't superstars and more than likely that none of them will ever be but their they build around them or they are central pieces in their respective teams.

    If you want to build your team around a superstar then you have to draft one first. We failed miserably at that. This team doesn't have a future superstar. Or you want to get a superstar that wants out but we are not a lucrative destination for them and we have to give up a lot of assets for one let's say Embiid. We would have to give up so much for an aging superstar it wouldn't make any sense. We could be a 1 year rental for them too.

    Also this dogmatic attitude is just cringe. Oh you only consider Jokic a superstar damn you are not easily impressed aren't you? You have standards i respect that sir you don't bend that easily you get what you want wish i was like you. Honestly some of you look like a crackhead wants to marry Jeff Bezos it doesn't work like that. Everybody has standarts you are not special we want Giannis too but you work with what you have. We are not in rebuild anymore and this team seems to have some chance to pull of an upset in the future. Maybe. Athleticism, combined with high iq and defensive intensity maybe we can be like Kings or Heat and get to the finals 6 years later. We have a great coach it might just happen and somebody in this group will come out on top and convince the fans that he is the alpha of the group. Are we gonna turn a blind eye on his rise just because he doesn't have 69 inches vertical, built like a tank and he doesn't meet our expectations? It's not his fault that he's better than others it's our fault that our 16th pick is better than our 2nd and 3rd pick.
     
  19. plegus

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    But he can’t win it twice, @ me when he has 6 rings on 2 different franchises.
     
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    I love debating with you guys! Just because a player has a similar skillset as another player, does not put him in the same category or make him that player.

    I'll never forget, there was a player I wanted the Rockets to draft, "BABY JORDAN". He was suppose to be the next Michael Jordan, Harold Miner. He could do everything Jordan could, at least thats what I thought! Miner was 6'2, 6'3, Jordan was 6'6 and had better skills. That made a huge difference.

    Jokic is a true 7'1! His build makes a difference, the long arms. He can shot the 3pt shot CONSISTENTLY. He can get rebounds outside of his area that Sengun can not, he's extremely skilled. To me that sets him apart. Sengun will never be Jokic. They have similar skillsets but thats it.
     

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