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2023 Season Astros General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Apr 10, 2023.

  1. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Sounds like lovely wife potential.
     
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  2. IdStrosfan

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    I completely disagree.

    Astros are 13-12 in Framber's games and 18-7 in Javiers. Who is better? Who has played better?

    A better player is a better player.
    Better play impacts the chances to win.

    162 g season is a grind but gives plenty of chances for that chance to happen.

    Julks has played 93 games. Let's say that playing Chas, Meyers, or Diaz (whoever is on the bench) instead adds a 1% chance per game of the Astros winning.

    The math says eventually that 1% hits and the Astros have 1 more win. That ties them with Seattle and a game over Texas.

    Then we can do Dubon. We can do Maldy.

    Eventually over 162 games Dusty's bad lineups costs the Astros 2-5 wins.
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    They've won 62% of the games Julks has started. *That's* the math. It is not, "Here, let me randomly pull a favorable % that supports my argument..."

    Julks starting has not impacted their win total in the way you so desperately hope it does. That's not to suggest they're better with Julks - it's just to underscore that so many other, more important things are happening around Julks that it's silly to be this wrapped around the axel with him. He's margin.
     
  4. Snake Diggit

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    It a club option that converts to a player option based on an inning theshold (that he’s passed) and passing a year-end physical. So assuming he’s healthy at the end of the season, it will be a player option.
     
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  5. Joe Joe

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    Correlation-causation logic fallacy.
     
  6. IdStrosfan

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    Fangraphs and baseball reference both says Julks 93g and 293 PA are worth 0.3 wins above replacement.

    Fangraphs
    Chas 2.89 more wins in 293 PA
    Diaz 1.65 more wins in 293 PA
    Jake 1.70 more wins in 293 PA

    Baseball Reference
    Chas 2.73 more wins in 293 PA
    Diaz 2.39 more wins in 293 PA
    Jake 1.40 more wins in 293 PA

    In every case, the math says any combination of those players playing those 93 games instead of Julks ends up at least 1 additional win.

    I realize it is JUST the math, but if you play better players game after game eventually you will win more games.
     
  7. BlindHog

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    It became a player option after some goals where met earlier this season.
     
  8. cmlmel77

    cmlmel77 Up all Night Watching Houston Sports

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    You left out one of the most important parts of the core, and I suspect you are very aware and did it on purpose. I agree re: Julks - playing him too often is a 1-win decision (of course, we are only behind by 1 win … but still, it’s small).

    But if you don’t have Diaz as part of the “core that matters” you are being intentionally obtuse. You are talking about swapping someone who has performed at the level of one of the top 3-4 catchers in the game for literally the worst performing catcher in the game. That is a core positional upgrade if I’ve ever seen one.

    And, no, playing Diaz at DH doesn’t make it better. Throwing away a massive positional advantage is a fireable offense, period.

    I know this recent convo is about Julks, but the fact that you don’t even list Diaz as part of the top tier that matters shows more than a bit of intent to avoid criticizing Dusty.
     
  9. the shark

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    Yep as you mentioned it's now a player option. I think it all depends on how he looks down the stretch and the playoffs (if we make the playoffs). It's for 8.5 mil next season. If he opts out he'll definitely be looking to get a two yr deal (he'll be 35 next season). Don't think anyone would give him a 3 yr deal taking him through age 37 but who knows. If he finishes strong this yr I would say he'd get a 2yr deal from someone.

    Would you be willing to add on one more year at the same 8.5 mil (so 2 yr 17 mil)? Up until two weeks ago he was our most consistent arm in the pen.
     
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  10. BlindHog

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    I have it at six games but your mileage may vary.
     
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    I kind of think Hey Now is Sean Salisbury
     
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    [cut to: Bregman and Joe Joe outside the Stros clubhouse 2 hours ago]

    Alex, what if I were to tell you that this rock keeps popups away?

    Uh-huh, and how does it work?

    It doesn't work. It's just a stupid rock.

    I see.

    But you haven't hit any popups today, have you?

    Joe Joe, I would like to buy your rock.
     
  13. FLASH21

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    Anyway to nab Giolito off waivers now that the Angels have officially waved the white flag?
     
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    This… is developed Dubon…? He got hot for one month and has been avg/below avg since. He relies so heavily on his ability to make contact that he swings at everything. Dusty kept putting him at the top of the lineup because “that’s where 2B bats always” apparently, and he repeatedly sees like 2 pitches.
    If playing Julks more than Chas gets us Dubon-level production…. I’d rather have Chas.
     
  15. tehG l i d e

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    These guys are up for grabs

     
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    Harrison Bader was waved by yanks
     
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  17. Qan

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    No way Astros going to be able to get Moore or Lopez.
     
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  18. J_Hunter_1977

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    Clevinger is available too.
     
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  19. Joe Joe

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    Pena has hit better in the bottom third of the lineup than he has batting 2nd this year.
     
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  20. Pringles

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    He's been heating up! Just in time for the postseason!*

    *if we make the postseason
     

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