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Are we sleeping on Will Levis?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Shark44, Dec 31, 2022.

  1. El_Conquistador

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    Could Will Levis be the next Justin Herbert? Many similarities. Very smart, incredible arm talent, physical player who can withstand injury. Can the same be credibly said about Bryce Young or CJ Stroud?
     
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    Care to talk about his sack rate being significantly higher 3x than Young/Richardson both being in the SEC? But with a similar pressure rate.

    I wish he had better play calling at OC though. I went back over his play types and tried to break down the data to see some tendencies. I found the following:

    Levis primarily relied on Flood Variations, which had a 30.16% success rate, followed by Screens and checkdowns/HB options. He used Portland/Yankee variation and shot variations to a lesser extent. However, his most successful throwing concept package was Portland/Yankee variations with 47% success rate, with checkdowns coming in second.

    Interestingly, Will had remarkable success with Curl/Seam/Comeback routes and China passing concepts, despite not utilizing them frequently, as evidenced by two years of data. These concepts had a success rate that was 1.5x to 2x greater than Levi's main package set, where he achieved success with Portland/Yankee variations. I wonder if it was moreso he didn't have the players to run the routes or if the o-line was so terrible they couldn't implement it.

    Efficiency is measured by the success rate, which takes into account the down and distance context. A play is deemed successful if it achieves a) 50% of the yards needed for a first down, b) 70% of the yards needed for a second down, or c) 100% of the yards needed for a third or fourth down. To determine the success rate, divide the number of successful plays by the total number of plays.
     
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    Will Levis is the next Blaine Gabbart, Jake Locker, Zach Wilson, etc... In other words, the next Bust at QB.
     
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    Alabama's O-line is loaded with 4 and 5 star talent giving Young ample protection. Don't let that fool you when comparing against Kentucky's much weaker o-line. That's why just watching highlights isn't a substitute for scouting.
     
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    I didn’t watch any highlights FYI. I pulled up the stats for this season and pressure rates creates for the QB’s, all three had similar rates of pressures. However, Levis certainly did get sacked more.

    He held up strong which is great! Possibly less on the mobility end than the two in the same conference.

    Also the only spot they don’t have a four star plus OT lineman is center with a measly 3 star.
     
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    Will levis literally had more injuries in college than either of the other two.. so yes, even more credibly than you just spewing whatever fits your narrative, the same can be said for Bryce and CJ.
     
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    I hate these comparisons. Was Bryce’s oline better? Yes. Were the players attacking that oline also much better? ALSO YES. Good god y’all, for every “they played with better talent” argument, there is also “played AGAINST better talent” and apparently, having better talent only matters if you are bryce young and CJ stroud as opposed to any of the previous QBs. Caleb Williams had Jordan Addison, so I guess none of his numbers matter.
     
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    Better talent but pressure rate to the QBs were the same.
     
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    That’s even better, probably because will Levis’s oline was going against weaker guys so it all evens out.. so easy to see but not if it doesn’t fit your narrative.
    The same will be said of drake maye next year, can’t wait…
     
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    Let’s wait on Drake, he had a solid body of work, hit a wall towards the back end of the season. He’ll be in conversation if he can back it up, as he has the size and strength needed. Plus he’ll have a better team next year!
     
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    This is why doing research is so important. Kentucky's strength of schedule last year: 30. Alabama's strength of schedule: 26. Almost identical.
    http://powerrankingsguru.com/college-football/strength-of-schedule.php


    Young was throwing behind an o-line littered with 5-star recruits giving him ample time. Bryce Young would be in the 3rd round conversation had he played at Kentucky. Maybe 4th.
     
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    Yup! Basically identical strength of schedule. They both basically had similar pressure rates to the QBs too.

    O-Line recruit ratings LT to RT

    Bama was 5-4-3-4-4

    Kentucky was 4-4-3-4-4

    again, similar except for LT. This is why research is important.
     
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    Separately, I hate that we’re dissing one QB to prop up another QB. That’s everyone across the board here and I’m sure @Shark44 and @cmoak1982 would agree too.

    End goal is the same. Let’s find out what they’re great at, scope for improvement and fits within the team. I had a great time analyzing Levi’s’ play calling last night and what’s been super effective for him to gain yardage.
     
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    You did a damn good breakdown
     
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    “…Next Jake Locker or best case, Mitchell Trubisky.”

     
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    Gonna respond to this but ignore my comment that was actually in response to you about how Levis is bigger and stronger and therefore won’t get hurt like Bryce or CJ? And how credible the data proves you wrong? Or we just gonna play “whose oline is better?” Which you were also proven to be wrong?
     
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    So legitimate interest, or the Texans trying to drum up interest in the #2 pick for teams in the 7-10 range who might not want to take a chance on Richardson?
     
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