Is SGA the difference in the 0kc vs Houston rebuild?

listen you idiot, you compared Ball ( a PG ) to Green a (SG) - then your response to me correcting you is to say that Green never played (PG) in high school and he only plays (SG). So why the hell are you comparing him to Ball who has been a (PG) all his life?

You smoking that good stuff

 

Absolutely Giddey is better than Sengun. Sengun occupies your lone big man slot with a non-shotblocking undersized C and presents all kinds of problems in terms of switching and the personnel you have to put up around him.

Giddey is in a much more flexible spot in the lineup. Giddey is also now becoming a reliable outside threat. He can pass, rebound and shoot and is not a focal point of mismatches.

 

Get out of here with your stats and facts, they just want to be angry. We suck and someone has to be blamed. Too many disillusioned fans who thought we would compete for a play in spot with a roster of children.

 

did it all shooting 10-26 from the field and 5-15 from 3 against the mighty Spurs…

lol

Ball brings more to the table than Green with his rebounding and playmaking, but he is in his 3rd year averaging 23 points on 20 shots and chucking up 11 threes a game…he barely shoots 40% from the field and his TS% is way below average just like Jalen

 

the mighty hornets have won 17 games with this dude as their best player.

 

Respectfully disagree on their rebuilding from 2004/5.

Personal definition is when team was last in playoffs. Any team in playoffs, even if middle cycling is not a rebuild team. Harden Rockets, Luka Mavs, Donovan Jazz, they all have variatiins of trying 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, and 3rd round.

Just because after KD/Russ era they didn't make it to the finals again doesn't mean they immediately go into rebuild. Harden Rockets never made it to the finals, doesn't mean we were in rebuild mode in that era.

Both Rockets and Thunder were in bubble playoff in 2019. Both teams sank to the bottom standings (bottom 5) starting 2020 season. So we started at same time.

They're pivoting this year as they try to aim for play-in. For us the attempt is next year.

Just because they got SGA before 2019, doesn't mean they didn't rebuild. It's GM's wisdom to keep or gut players from prior roster. Just because our GM went full youth and got rid of all vets doesn't mean Thunder didn't rebuild.


As far as without SGA. Their other pieces, coaches, (including Chip England), GM, draft picks reserve are ahead of us.

 

We have our developing SGA in KPJ......just need 2 more years of development - may not be 100% equal but they are on similar trajectories.

DD

 

OKC is 1 year ahead of us rebuilding, if we count from the Paul George trade.

They won trades for both of the stars leaving them. PG and Russ. vs Us losing the Russ trade and Winning but still not cashing in on the Nets trade
They were able to clear cap space quicker and were very skilled renting it vs Us not being able to clean Wall´s contract.
They have been able to get 1st rounders for their moves, VS us finding a market where 1st rounders are harder to move.
Their veterans have lauded the organization, implying good decision making and youth development correlates vs Us having ex players thrash the organization and not seeing youth development.
Their coach has had good games through 3 years no matter what roster he is handed vs Us having our best games when Lucas takes over.

There is no doubt in my mind this conversation also had place in the OKC locker room after we beat them earlier this year. And that's why they have gone out of their way the last 2 games to make sure there is a big gap on the box score as well.

 

My POV: they pivot with the PG13 trade and the Russ trade a few days later. The Bubble year is just a rebuilding year going really well because of CP3.

 

LaMelo quietly developing into a full-blown low efficiency chucker with good playmaking…he’s shot above 45% from the field in just 9 of his 33 games…has shot under 40% in 16 games

 

OKC obviously has developed their players better than the Rockets have their. It shows. It's not just SGA or the length of a rebuild. 2nd year players on OKC look more NBA polished than our 2nd year players.

Rockets are failing.

 

We had our SGA-like young player in Jarrett Allen from the Harden trade and the FO decided to save money and get a low FRP instead.

Coaching staff is also a bigger difference. Put Silas/Stone on OKC and see how that team turns out. Horford would have still been there instead of being traded two seasons ago and Dort/Giddey would be stuck playing isoball and chucking just like Green/KPJ are doing right now.

 

Only Differences:

SGA lives in Toronto.

KPJ lives in a mental hospital for his anger issues.

 

I've been hammering how inexperienced all these players on the roster are, most of them didn't even play but a few games in college how are they going to be ready for NBA? Other than a generational player like Bird with a 32 point turnaround it is a long process. They need a new coach for next year and we should see an uptick.

 

because kids at 19 don't get drafted for what they are as finished products. They get drafted for what they can potentially be years down the road

 

That's why it's going to take a lot of patience. We're not integrating one 19-year-old we have a roster full of them. I'm sorry but if you thought this team was going to be good soon you're fooling yourself. Yes they can score but learning to play NBA defense is a thousand times harder than High School which minute wise is the majority of their basketball life.

 

OKC has not done anything yet. SGA looks good, Giddy is very intriguing. Chet is still a question mark.

 

No they're not.

One guy is a problem child sold off for scrap who makes bad decisions.

The other is a legit perimeter threat that has been perceived that way, or at least as a future one, around the league for a long time. And now he's become an all star/borderline all NBA player. Nobody around the league outside of Houston wants KPJ on their team or expects him to become a star player.

There's no reason to expect that Kevin Porter Jr. does the same thing compared to the far greater likelihood of a worse outcome

 

How were OKC 2 seasons ago? That’s what should be compared to the rockets now.