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Cade, Green, Kuminga, or Suggs?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr Woods, Mar 12, 2021.

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Who should the Rockets draft?

  1. Cade Cunningham - 6’7 PG, 220 lbs, 19 yrs old

    414 vote(s)
    68.8%
  2. Jalen Green - 6’5 SG, 180 lbs, 19 yrs old

    61 vote(s)
    10.1%
  3. Jonathan Kuminga - 6’8 SF, 210 lbs, 18 yrs old

    33 vote(s)
    5.5%
  4. Jalen Suggs - 6’4 PG, 205 lbs, 19 yrs old

    50 vote(s)
    8.3%
  5. Other

    44 vote(s)
    7.3%
  1. sydmill

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    I get veterans who have paid their dues "not tolerating" x, y, or z. But I cant see a rookie who has gone from living in a dorm and eating in a dining hall to being paid millions to play basketball "not tolerating" a losing culture. How many lottery picks have gone to winning teams? For time immemorial blue chip prospects have had to weather the storm of a few difficult seasons because the teams in position to draft them are necessarily bad. It would seem to me that you would want a guy who makes it his mission to turn it around and change the culture. Plus, I think most players realize that in this day and age you have to stockpile talent and then compete. Maybe I am wrong but if Wood, KPJ, KMart or even Cade is the kind of guy that quits in the face of adversity maybe they shouldnt be the guy a professional franchise hitches their wagon to?
     
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    you can only play whose on the schedule and this kinda ridiculous considering they made it to the championship which is one the hardest things to do in sports.

    how many good teams did Lillard play in college? Curry?
     
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  3. saleem

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    My gut feeling is that Cade won't quit in the face of adversity nor will the other top 3 players. I think they will try to do their best to fit in with the team. I don't think they will want to deliberate tank for another top pick.

    The Rockets didn't tank this year. We had too many holes to fill and too many injuries along with a rookie head coach.
     
  4. ktbballplaya

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    Interesting.. I don't see that at all and I was never high on Turner
     
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  5. sydmill

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    Two things:
    1) I dont think that the Rockets are going to deliberately tank beyond next season given their obligations to OKC; and
    2) I think that players are much more savvy than they used to be about team building (see Embid's embracing the process and LeBron's decision to go to the Lakers)

    The Rockets most certainly did tank this year. Given that obligation to OKC, they obviously went in the toilet to maximize the chances of keeping the pick. They may not have tried to lose but they certainly weren't trying to win.
     
  6. D-rock

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    #1 - Cade/Mobley
    #2 - Green
    #3 - take 1 of the 3
    #4 - Trade down, stay in top 10, add another FRP
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Didn't they bank in a shot to make the final?

    And it was not 1 guy who led them there, this is not a Larry Bird situation where he dragged Indiana State to the final.

    DD
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Turner was too slow and unathletic reminds me of Lamb on our current team.

    DD
     
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    How can Cade remind u of Evan Turner when Cade can shoot and Turner couldn’t? If Evan Turner could shoot, he would be a completely different player. Some of these comps are starting to get disrespectful.

    Cade is Evan Turner…Cade is Shaun Livingston…Cade reminds me of Andrew Wiggins…Cade reminds me of Micheal Beasley

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    dudes just throwing out names with no basis at this point…these guys don’t even have the same game or anything close
     
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  11. saleem

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    I liked it, though some of the grades seemed exaggerated or too high. I would like to add a point.

    I always like to see how coordinated and quick a player is in transition. If I see problems then it makes me doubt if he can get through traffic to score around the basket. This scoring system on offense doesn't take that into consideration. Shooting can't make up for that.
    @ApacheWarrior
     
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    I liked it, though some of the grades seemed exaggerated or too high. I would like to add a point.

    I always like to see how coordinated and quick a player is in transition. If I see problems then it makes me doubt if he can get through traffic to score around the basket. This scoring system on offense doesn't take that into consideration. Shooting can't make up for that.
    @ApacheWarrior
     
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    Agreed. To me, the thing that makes Cade stand out as a prospect and separates him from these other mediocre comparisons and, frankly, most other top NBA prospects historically is that he does three things extremely well: makes plays, can defend multiple positions and shoot 3-pointers. Historically how many point forwards have done all three of those things extremely well coming into the pros and/or excelled at all three things at the NBA level? Bird, Lebron and...? And Lebron wasn't a great 3-point shooter his first few years in the league.

    That's not to say that I think Cade will be the next Bird or Lebron. Both of those guys were superior scorers. But I'm just pointing out how unique his skillset is as a prospect. All three of those areas are highly sought after in today's NBA, and to get all three in a player who's 6'8" is practically unheard of.
     
  14. Caesar

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    Agreed. Cade is very clearly ahead of all the comparisons in terms of handles as well. So, not only can he shoot, he handles like a point and he's got much more nimble type athletic ability than Tatum imo. If Tatum is more Alan Houston, Cade is more Grant Hill. Although, yes, Hill couldn't shoot 3s, but he had a killer mid range/pull up fit for his era
     
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  15. Caesar

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    Cade reminds me of Michael Carter Williams w/ a shot
     
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  16. Caesar

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    Jalen Green reminds me of Von Wafer w/ a brain

    Jalen Suggs reminds me of Reece Gaines w/ basketball skills

    Evan Mobley reminds me of black David Andersen
     
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    Haha, and Silas reminds you of Popovich sans long old man hair
     
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  18. ApacheWarrior

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    I had Scottie Barnes high on my list but I watched Florida State vs Michigan in the tournament.
    I was underwhelmed in Scottie. I expected more from Barnes with Livers out.....but was flat.

    Reminds me of John Henson. All arms and legs. If no one better then, sure. Isn't he
    projected to go around #10, though?
     
  19. TimDuncanDonaut

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    Top 5 draft picks from last five years.
    • GREAT - In top 5 picks, usually 1 to 2 superstars.
    • GOOD - Most are solid starters (at least right now)
    • GARBAGE - One to two are either bust or starting to disappoint.
    • None of this year's rookies' teams made the playoffs. Several showing upsides, but none can carry their team to the playoffs in year 1. If Rockets get top 4, might also be the case next year.
    • At years 3-5, you kinda know where they'll be.
    2016 (5 years in league)
    1. Ben Simmons - superstar - on a playoff team (76ers)
    2. Brandon Ingram - starter - not on playoff team (Pelicans)
    3. Jaylen Brown - superstar - on a playoff team (Celtics)
    4. Dragan Bender - bust - out of NBA (Israel)
    5. Kris Dunn - bench player -
    on a playoff team (Hawks) - 11 min per game this season

    2017 (4 years in league)
    1. Markelle Fultz - starter - on a bottom team (Magic) - 4 years already, possible bust.
    2. Lonzo Ball - starter - not on playoff team (Pelicans)
    3. Jayson Tatum - superstar - on a playoff team (Celtics)
    4. Josh Jackson - bench player - on a bottom team (Pistons) - Rotation player; might get traded.
    5. De'Aaron Fox - starter - not on playoff team (Kings)

    2018 (3 years in league)
    1. Deandre Ayton - good starter - on a playoff team (Suns)
    2. Marvin Bagley III - rotation player - not on playoff team (Kings)
    3. Luka Doncic - superstar - on a playoff team (Mavericks)
    4. Jaren Jackson Jr. - starter - on a playoff team (Grizzlies)
    5. Trae Young - superstar - on a playoff team (Hawks)

    2019 (2 year in league)
    1. Zion Williamson - superstar - not on playoff team (Pelicans)
    2. Ja Morant - superstar - on a playoff team (Grizzlies)

    3. RJ Barrett - starter - on a playoff team (Knicks)
    4. De'Andre Hunter - starter - on a playoff team (Hawks)
    5. Darius Garland - starter - on a bottom team (Cavaliers)

    2020 (1 year in league)
    1. Anthony Edwards - starter - on a bottom team (Timberwolves)
    2. James Wiseman - bench - not on playoff team (Warriors) - showing disappointment, still potential
    3. LaMelo Ball - starter - not on playoff team (Hornets)
    4. Patrick Williams - starter - not on playoff team (Bulls)
    5. Isaac Okoro - starter - on a bottom team (Cavaliers) - showing disappointment
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    Tilman gave the Rockets 2 years...
     
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  20. ApacheWarrior

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    I agree, this is why I compare him to Magic Johnson 6'9" 215 pounds. 11.2 career assist avg.
    Was not great at shooting 3's (30%) but could shoot them when they counted.

    Cade is Magic Johnson without "Showtime" glamorous passes......just sound passes.

    Cade can turn it on after trying to get everyone involved just like Magic.
    Neither player quick footed. I remember Magic guarding center his first
    year (finals). I do believe.

     
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