China call for Nike boycott over Xinjiang statement, burn shoes

I saw that and another sign that there is a lot of silliness and pettiness in PRC.

 

also, H&M, Addidas and Gap

 

no you don't,
not w his stupid signing of FA Jeremy Loin to replace Dragic

 

I work in manufacturing world or supply chain economics...

Your Nike shoes are made for $4 dollars and up to $10 for premium shoes and good % are made in Indonesia/Thailand , however Nike needs to buy certain raw materials from China still because the other countreis are unable to produce raw materials (do not have raw material factories, who can refine the raws)

So you can say China materials but assembled in Indonesia/Thailand.

Also tracing cotton is about as stupid as trying to trace DRC Congo minerals. Do you know what these companies do...they make you sign a letter "promising you don't use suppliers from those regions"......I laugh hard.

 

Speculation on my part due to the odd timing - self made billionaires didn't accumulate so much wealth by being angels and China has them too.

 

Pretty sure those are his shoes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Ning

The cccp newspaper is actually trying to deescalate, could be Chinese businesses this time doing businessman -ike things. Yay capitalism haha

 

Human rights flag with business purpose, as usual. China provides about 23% of total cotton output in the world, and 80% of it are from Xinjiang. If that's banned, cotton farmers in the US and some other countries will certainly benefit. The so-called Uyghur Muslims suppression/genocide "news" you hear everyday now, are getting outrage from Western countries. But have you noticed how Muslim countries like Saudi, UAE etc are not "outraged"? Some of them even praised some of the achievements China has made in Xinjiang? Let me take a wild guess, 99% of the people acting outraged never set foot in the area, nor has seen pics/videos from sources other than main media outlets in the Western. Do people question how much truth is to that "genocide"? That's a big word, and very very serious accusation. A few hearsays shouldn't determine the true story of millions real people. "Any female under 40 were raped", stories like that, do you honestly never raise a question mark? How do you achieve that? Assemble a rape squad and check for bone age to make sure you never miss a target?

Many years ago, I have posted here that many Han Chinese had a problem with treating minority Chinese too well and too special, as they normally don't have to comply with the one-child policy and enjoy special rights for education admission and economical benefit. There were time that Uyghurs launching terrorist attacks like bus bombing and common criminals in other cities, after CCP successfully lured young Uyghurs to migrate to other parts of China to get better jobs and lives. Turkey and US were behind it, to encourage radical ones to export violence to other cities. CCP changed tactic, started that re-education program, built highways and high speed railroads and make Xinjing less isolated and more connected to the rest of China. Overall, the economy grew much faster. When young people, no matter of race, nationality, or religion, if they can earn a better living, they are less likely involved in crime or violence. It is working.

Let's just put emotion aside, even assume the worst and most evil intention of CCP, but what good does it do for the ruling party to wipe out a few million people? How do you do it without getting any notice? This is information age, does anyone honestly believe a well-kept secret with millions people involved is possible? Well, I guess the Domino voting machine conspiracy is similar.

But politicians need a talking point, with noble cause. Hearsays and active fabricated information serve the purpose and target, and certainly fit the agenda. Let's just run with it. Human rights in other countries, do those politicians really care? Do general public really care? I weigh actions a lot more than words. What happened in Iraq and Syria, are IN FACT loss of tens of thousands lives, millions people suffered. Was there accountability for those Tide powder? No. We had good intentions. As if that was good enough to justify that we use our power and might to do anything to other countries and people. Intentions are cheap because they can be hardly proven.

Chinese people can be very defensive. Nationalism is very high right now in China, it's not because they are just plain ignorant or CCP does so well in deceiving. The majority or almost all of the Chinese people are benefiting from the economical growth in the past 30, 40 years. Yes, Uyghurs and Tibetans included. US politicians are still selling the point how CCP is separated from average Chinese people. They are wrong. You deal with CCP, you deal with Chinese people, even including those suffered in the Giant Leap Forward and Culture Revolution. Chinese people are now highly identified with CCP, unlike in the 80s. Looking back how Britain forced "free trade" of opium with gun powder, and how sanctions in the name of human rights and democracy do to other people in the world, Chinese people are rallying behind CCP with high nationalism. Young people will act silly and go overboard, like burning other people's Japanese cars etc.

Most Chinese people don't care about 2 party or multi-party system, all they want is better living standard and more money. CCP achieved that with the open economic reform. There are a lot of development in political side as well. I am not talking about free election, but rather less corruption and bureaucracy. Frankly, I face less bureaucracy in China nowadays than in the States.

I might be naïve, that I do not believe you must have a public enemy at any time. But politicians do need a foreign public enemy to divert from domestic conflicts. Ideology is probably the easiest tool. China wants to destroy our value system and way of life? LOL. Do you see people in Chinatown care about what others believe? The problem with that enemy definition is, no matter of your original intention, you will get an enemy at the end. US is still the most dominate and powerful country. Lets' say China is not going to catch up in 50 years or even never catch up. But what do you gain by making an enemy when it wasn't one to start with?

Sure, dollar dominance and geopolitical influence are at stake, but that's competition, not a certain war. You can't wipe out China from the map. There were times that the majority of Han Chinese were suffered through true genocides by Mongol and Man Chinese. But today, they are all Chinese. China is not just a country, but also or even more of a culture. That's how it lasted for more than 3000 years (with real culture continuity). It's not ideology, religion, race, ethnicity, or government, but culture, binding all Chinese people.

As a Chinese American, it's sad for me to see how in the past few years that 2 people are hating on each other,.

 

Its nce and dandy to be skeptical of what you read, but with China's censorship curtain and firewall, it's not like theyre exactly upfront with their treatment and abuses either. It goes back to the circular and fruitless argument where numbers and stats are disputed by the source responsible for blocking the stats and sometimes with force or threat of life changing coercion.

Bit rich for a totalitarian state to call out unfairness and meanness, but i guess protesting too much isn't an indicator of guilt or bullshit anymore in this post truth era.

 

There's a lot to unpack here and will try to give more of a complete response later.
Yes most people in the PRC care about improving standards of living and the CCP has done a good job vastly improving the standards of living. They have also been stoking nationalism and since Tiananmen there is a concerted effort through both official channels and the media to emphasize nationalism.

That said what is happening in Xinjiang is real. I seen sources from outside of the Western media, have met actual Uighars in the PRC and have family that have been to Xinjiang. What's happening there isn't genocide in the sense that Uighars are being sent to death camps but their culture is being repressed and they are being forced to be reeducated. The CCP doesn't deny this. What is happening there isn't the Holocaust but is very similar to what the US, Canada and Australia did to their indigenous population through forced reeducation. The results were disastrousness and likely are going to be disastrous to the Uighars too.

Yes cotton is a major export and the PRC produces a lot of cotton with a lot from Xinjiang (cotton farming is also causing environmental damage but that is a slightly different subject). While I agree what Nike and H&M are doing is mostly for show and chances are are still getting Xinjiang cotton it's foolish to be burning Nike shoes over this and these are publicity stunts meant to rile people up.