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The View from the Ground: George Floyd Protests

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, May 28, 2020.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    For us residents of Minneapolis nobody knows what’s going on. My neighbor got a gun and says he’s ready to protect the neighborhood
     
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    He's from the Houston area so.........
     
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    Several fires in Minneapolis. Not enough fire crews to handle. There appears to even be a funeral home on fire. National guard are escorting fire fighters. I’m at home and am smelling smoke here
     
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    Demonstrators marching on I-35
     
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    A public library down the street from the 3rd Precinct has been set on fire
     
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    Is it that easy to set large buildings on fire?
     
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    Im convinced there are agents actively destroying buildings at this point.
     
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    You may not be able to see this (or know what to look for) but are there magazines in the weapons of the National Guard soldiers? I’ve heard differing reports.
     
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    Off the top of my head, it gives certain people in certain places an excuse to limit the number of polling places.
     
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    Good question. Back in the late 60's when my dad was still doing Reserve duty, after his stint at Tigerland and all that fun, his unit got called up to police the demonstrations at UT. Loaded, nothing in the chamber. He said all of the guys were terrified ("that's the most scared I ever was in uniform, and I had a dumbass drop a live grenade in the training area") that something would go bad...they didn't want to hurt anybody, they agreed with the hippies for the most part.
     
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    I’ve been in the Army for quite a few years. There are many levels of approval and conditions that have to be met before troops are deployed. If a National Guard soldier were to have an ND in an American city that would be an absolute nightmare for everybody in charge of that soldier up to the CG of that state. I doubt the majority of those weapons are loaded.
     
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    I just watched Gov Walz’s press conference and this is a nightmare..
    He is admitting that there isn’t enough LE and NG to handle what’s happening in Minneapolis. He’s saying even if all of Mn LE was called in it wouldn’t be enough. He said he’s in talks now with Trump to bring in federal forces.
    He also said that there is intel that white supremacist are in the city to cause trouble. He also said that there is intel that drug cartels are seeking to take advantage of the chaos.
    On top of that he is saying there are many many more people coming to Minneapolis to protests and among those will likely being people not here to protest peacefully.

    I’m probably not going to sleep tonight. I’m probably not going to get much sleep the next few nights
     
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    Things outside the White House seem to be heating up. Currently live here -
     
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    How would they take advantage of this?
     
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    More looting of HK shops hit by vandalism, arson
    The situation is not much different in HK, except that the surveillance footages might not be publicly released. That is how biased reporting by western MSM -- which is similar to what Chinese MSM does -- shape people's opinions.
     
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    There are definitely groups of people who are coming into otherwise peaceful protests to start the destruction. It just happened in Atlanta. Could be white supremacists or plain clothed officers. I’d be willing to bet they are trying to set the stage for a heavy handed response against black and brown protestors.
     
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    That is already happening.
    what the intentions are past vandalism is not clear but there is on video example of white person destroying auto zone:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-riot-umbrella-man-george-floyd-a9539741.html
     
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    some evidence for this kind of effect historically--a new paper out in American Political Science Review last week on voter effects following the riots of the late 1960s:

    WASOW, OMAR. “Agenda Seeding: How 1960s Black Protests Moved Elites, Public Opinion and Voting.” American Political Science Review, 2020, 1–22. doi:10.1017/S000305542000009X.

    A description of one of the article's conclusions:

    This sequence of events is all too familiar from American history. A new paper by Princeton University political scientist Omar Wasow, a long-time researcher on civil rights and politics, sheds some light on why nonviolent protest tends to provoke sympathy while violent protests tend to polarize and even empower the protesters’ political opponents. Wasow’s father was a part of “Freedom Summer,” the bold activist venture to register black voters in Mississippi in 1964, and Wasow had long wondered how the momentum of civil-rights activism was blunted over the course of the decade.

    Wasow looked at protests that took place between 1960 and 1972, measuring how they shifted public opinion. What he found is that the civil rights movement’s nonviolent protests in the early 1960s were remarkably effective in moving public opinion, pushing the general public toward support for civil rights; these protests also even increased the Democratic presidential vote share in counties proximate to nonviolent actions.

    But things changed drastically when protests turned violent in the late ’60s. Wasow determines that white public opinion shifted so sharply in favor of social control that the violence may have tipped the election to Richard Nixon:
    Wasow’s paper points to one large-scale political outcome of violent protesting and rioting. But it’s important to think about the economic and social outcomes as well.
    More discussion at "Protesting Works. Rioting Doesn’t."
     
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    Thankfully the US military is on alert and ready for deployment. No reason for you and other innocent people and businesses to be subject to this kind of fear and destruction.
     
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    and just as I predicted

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/he-was-not-saint-but-he-didnt-deserve-to.305263/

    racists are so predictable

    ignore the cop who had 18 previous complaints and just MURDERED someone to focus on the past of the victim
     
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