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(Poll) do you support extending healthcare coverage to undocumented immigrants

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, Jun 29, 2019.

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Do you support extending healthcare coverage to undocumented immigrants?

  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    26.8%
  2. No

    25 vote(s)
    61.0%
  3. Not sure at this time

    5 vote(s)
    12.2%
  1. Astrodome

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    I could see it being worth the treacherous trip through mexico for healthcare.
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    They already get it. Hospitals can't ask if you are legal when they go to ER. They aren't legal so they don't have a credit history for hospitals to pull against.
     
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  3. DonnyMost

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    Langhi hit it. This just puts on paper and makes more efficient what we are already doing.

    It's a knee jerk effect for conservatives to oppose this and exploit the ignorance of the public. It's the democrats job to educate everyone and reinvent the discussion around immigration and citizenship.
     
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  4. No Worries

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    I blame Obama.
     
  5. peleincubus

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    You should. And all the rest too.

    If any of these politicians talking out both sides of their mouths wanted to stop this. They would make to where you had to have some type of documentation to get a job in this country. If you are legal. Boom job. If you are not a resident have that form that you are legally here. Boom job

    The mountain of wasted time. And wanting a dumb ass wall. Get the F out of here
     
  6. CometsWin

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    We could go with the Republican plan, die quick.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    If a country is detaining refugees... illegal or not, you have a responsibility to provide medical care.

    If someone is in the country on a temp visa, etc. it makes sense to have some form of Medicaid available if they are working and paying taxes that go back into social services like Medicaid.

    If someone is in the country illegally and we have any record of them and they aren’t paying taxes, they aren’t getting Medicaid anyways. We can’t give someone health insurance if they are undocumented. They are however likely to use the ER which costs all of us money and we don’t get their taxes.

    So to me it makes all the sense in the world to bring as many of those illegal immigrants as we can out of the shadows, have them and their income documented. Have them pay taxes, and provide them some form of Medicaid. And lastly give them a clear pathway to citizenship.

    So this isn’t really a yes or no question like Lester Holt made it seem and the Right will mischaracterize the sentiment of “GIVING illegal immigrants free health care.” Its a little disingenuous to really ask that question if you understand what I just wrote.
     
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  8. Ender00

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    Why should we provide those who came here illegally a pathway to citizenship? If that is the case why do through a lengthy process via legal path? Like it or not, become a citizen of country that is not of your birth place is not a right but a privilege. If you notice that Justin Trudeau remain quite about recent immigration discussion, because last time he open his mouth the canada's border got bombard with asylum seeker and they can't process them all. If its true that we spend like 700 dollars per person to house these asylum seeker. Since many people seem to think that canada is a much better place than USA, I propose we send them all to canada and see how canada universal health care system and other social programs hold up.
     
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  9. WNBA

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    illegal immigrants are not useless leeches. They contribute tremendously to the GDP(unless you put them in detention)
     
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    The immigration issue may hurt the democrats in the 2020 Presidential election. A lot of lower middle class and poor Americans have little interest in helping illegals.
     
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  12. DonnyMost

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    This is why it is encumbent upon democrats to present to the nation the very clear evidence that social services for everyone and a clearer more efficient path to citizenship helps the poor and middle class the most.

    Shatter the myth of scarcity and zero sum.
     
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  13. dobro1229

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    You should always have a path. Doesn’t mean it’s an easy path. Maybe you pay higher taxes or something but it’s a huge expense to detain at 700 dollars a night and then deport when you can better manage the situation with a documentation process. There’s also a sponsorship policy that moves them out of our expensive detention centers when they can just wait for their court date under the roof of their sponsor.

    The extent that the racially aggrieved on the right are willing to spend just to prove a point is ridiculously counterproductive and a waste of tax payer money. They aren’t taking your jobs. They aren’t moving in next door to you in the Woodlands. Why do people on the right get so fixated on making it such a high priority with all the other more important stuff going on at the moment?

    And nobody is giving illegal immigrants free health insurance. Health care... yes... it’s called the emergency room and the medical care they get when held in detention. If we moved to a pathway to citizenship under a sponsorship at least we have the ability to tax their income when we allow them to work in the meantime doing things like building our homes that we are fortunate enough to be able to buy brand new at 250K because of immigrants like these who do the dirty work you would never do.

    I also don’t think they should get the worlds greatest health insurance coverage, but some basic Medicaid would make a ton of sense to keep them from having to use the ER where it costs us all more money in the long run. The fear, demagoguery, and racial anxiety just makes a very common sense problem to solve ridiculously more expensive than it needs to be. And it’s the morally right thing to do as well. I grew up in a Christian household and I’m pretty sure the Bible gives a pretty good indication of what Jesus would do. It wouldn’t be putting children in cages that’s for damn sure.

    Remove the racial anxiety from your thinking and it’s actually pretty clear what the smart thing to do is. And it just so happens it’s the morally right thing to do as well.
     
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  14. mick fry

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    Healthcare is not the same as being treated for an emergency but please continue the democratic education.
     
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  15. dobro1229

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    I agree. They have to find a way to articulate the illegal immigrant solution in a catch phrase or two sentence response.

    The issue is the need to explain a complex situation. The Republicans are the masters at finding a wedge issue where they know the Dems can’t explain in a sound bite and they create their own soundbite which is typically a lie but it sticks and the Dems have to over-explain.

    This health care for immigrants soundbite could become an issue as well as Julian Castro’s proposed solution of making crossing the border a civil crime instead of a misdemeanor. You can already hear the soundbite now “Dems are running on making illegal immigration legal for all the gangs and rapists”.
     
  16. Major

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    That's certainly true. Encouraging proactive general healthcare is far cheaper than waiting until there are emergencies.
     
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  17. mick fry

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    Free gym memberships would be appropriate as well.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yes you are right - and apparently you think that it's cheaper to treat someone for an emergency than a $50 clinic before it becomes an emergency. That's the foolery of people like you. Your bias against immigrants overrides making sensible policy.
     
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    I can tell that you are a good person by your post, and that is why i bother to respond to it at all. I can also tell that you haven't seen how many people there are in the world who needed help. You can't even begin to imagine how many poor people there are in the world, there are so many poor people that if we don't control how many can come in we will be over whelm. We need regulation and fairness for all the people who want to come and have a chance at American dream. It is the responsible of the government to take care of its citizen first, if we were to let everybody in i can guarantee you that your quality of life will suffer. for example, i am sure 7 millions hong kong citizen would like to come to the US, and maybe another 100 million or more from mainland china would like to get a crack at american dream. By having regulations, it will give equal chance to all of the people in the world not just people from central and south america to experience what you and me experience. You are not wrong for wanting as many people as possible to experience a good life but even you can see that we can not accept everybody and that is why legal immigration is the only path for fairness and to help the most amount of people while maintain our individuality, freedom and quality of life as an american.
     
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  20. dachuda86

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    Bill their home country and consider it a debt they owe. Suddenly you will see even more troops at the border.

    We need to end the incentives.
     
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