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The Murderin' Saudis and Their American Enablers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Senator

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    The best treatment is prevention. The best prevention is cultural and social-- don't do it, don't glorify it.

    Problem solved, get that mess out of the hood. Portugal has nothing to do with the US -- coke, opiates and heroin should not be legal. The demand will go way down once you enact a cultural change.

    As for saving an MS 13 gang member, thanks but no thanks. Am I supposed to applaud you for saving a violent gang member who was innocently caught up in a cat and mouse game..
     
  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    So your solution?
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Maybe something positive coming from the Saudi’s killing their journalists...

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ses-for-yemen-ceasefire-sources-idUSKCN1NK0PI

    Saudi-led coalition halts Hodeidah assault as West presses for Yemen ceasefire: sources

    ADEN/DUBAI (Reuters) - The Saudi-led coalition has ordered a halt in its offensive against Iranian-aligned Houthi rebels in Yemen’s main port city Hodeidah, three sources said on Thursday, in an apparent concession to Western pressure to end the war.

    Key Western allies including the United States have been urgently calling for a ceasefire ahead of renewed U.N.-led peace efforts.

    The nearly four-year-old conflict has killed more than 10,000 people and caused a humanitarian disaster that could potentially threaten millions of lives.

    The Hodeidah offensive, which first began earlier this year and was re-launched last month after a pause of several months, aims to cut Houthi-ruled areas from their main supply route. The United Nations fears it could deprive millions of people already on the verge of starvation from access to food or medicine.

    “The coalition has instructed forces on the ground to halt fighting inside Hodeidah,” said one pro-coalition military source. A source in another military force backed by the coalition confirmed the order.

    A third non-military source with knowledge of the decision said the coalition was responding to international requests for a ceasefire to ensure the Houthis attend planned peace talks.

    Hodeidah has become a key target for the Sunni Muslim coalition, trying to oust the Houthis since 2015 after they took control of the capital Sanaa and overthrew the government. The Houthis now rule over most of Yemen’s population, while the exiled government controls a section of the south.

    Western countries have provided arms and intelligence to the Arab states in the alliance, but have shown increasing reservations about the conflict since the murder of U.S.-based Saudi dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul early last month.

    Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, Adel al-Jubeir, said on Thursday the kingdom supports U.N.-led peace efforts.

    “We support a peaceful solution in Yemen and we support the efforts of the U.N. special envoy to Yemen,” Jubeir told a press conference, in which he separately said the Khashoggi case should not be politicized.

    Coalition spokesman Colonel Turki al-Malki would not confirm the order to halt the offensive had been given, saying operations were ongoing: “Each operation has its own specifics and pace,” Malki told Reuters, without providing details.

    Mohammed Ali al-Houthi, a Houthi leader and member of its Supreme Revolutionary Committee, told Reuters the group had still not seen an official announcement about a cessation of hostilities and skirmishes continued in outer suburbs.

    MISERY AMID CALM
    Street battles have abated over the last three days and Hodeidah was calm on Thursday, residents said. Coalition warplanes have conducted intermittent air strikes, mostly in the evening.

    “We heard some sporadic (mortar) shelling this morning, but it is very calm,” said resident Arwa Mohammed. “People have started to leave their houses and go outside. We don’t want the fighting to resume as our situation is miserable.”

    Aid groups have warned a full-scale assault on Hodeidah, which handles 80 percent of the country’s food imports and aid supplies, could trigger a famine. Some 22 million Yemenis rely on aid, out of a population of 29 million. Almost 18 million are considered hungry and 8.4 million severely hungry.

    The coalition abandoned its earlier attempt to capture Hodeidah last June without any gains amid concern about a humanitarian catastrophe.

    Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, which is leading military operations on the southern and western coast, may want to exit what has become a costly military quagmire, but peace talks will have to overcome deep mistrust among all sides.


    U.N. special envoy Martin Griffiths is trying to salvage talks between the warring Yemeni parties after the last round in September collapsed when the Houthis did not show up. He hopes to convene talks before the end of the year to agree a framework for peace under a transitional government.

    Sweden is preparing to host consultations when the parties “are ready to talk”, said a source familiar with the matter. “I would describe the process as slightly positive. Steps have been taken during the last weeks towards peace talks.”

    UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash has welcomed an early resumption of talks, saying on Twitter the alliance would raise the issue at a U.N. Security Council meeting on Friday.

    “(The) coalition will urge all parties to take advantage of window of opportunity to restart political process,” he said.

    The Saudi state news agency reported on Thursday that Saudi Arabia, the UAE, the United States and Britain had formed a committee to address the economic and humanitarian situation in Yemen, including through possible support of its central bank.
     
  5. Papa John

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    Bumpity bump.

    Trump wont listen to the sound of a journalist dying...what about the sound of a dying baby in yemen?
     
  6. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    This is the part that I don't get. The war has been going on for years, with US backing, and domestic corporate media was absolutely silent about it most of that time, despite it being a major news story everywhere else on the planet. August was the first time I saw an article in US media bout it. But now, suddenly, everyone is talking about it...due to "moral reservations" about an Islamist Washington Post journalist being murdered in Turkey?


    We are instead bombarded with and compelled to wring our hands over Jim Acosta's sacred First Amendment rights and a former comrade-in-arms of Bin Laden that was murdered by the Saudi government.
     
  7. sammy

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  9. sammy

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    Iran is backwards also. Does that make you feel better about your backwards ass country?
     
  10. Exiled

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    noo way, is it? why had you kept it a secret for so long!
    women can escape without being deported back to be punished, awesome
     
  11. sammy

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    It must be tiring defending your shithole of a country.
     
  12. Exiled

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    could be worse for being stranded with poverty ,self flagellation and addicts in that shithole forever while worshipping your supreme mullah:(
     
  13. sammy

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    You act like you know me, but we all know what you are about.
     
  14. sammy

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...d/middleeast/saudi-arabia-executions.amp.html

    Some of them were children and these people were not terrorists. Ef Saudi


    “Today’s mass execution is a chilling demonstration of the Saudi Arabian authorities callous disregard for human life. It is also yet another gruesome indication of how the death penalty is being used as a political tool to crush dissent from within the country’s Shi’a minority,” said Lynn Maalouf Middle East Research Director at Amnesty International.
     
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  15. CometsWin

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    Meanwhile... utterly shameful.


    Under shroud of secrecy US weapons arrive in Yemen despite Congressional outrage
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/middleeast/yemen-saudi-us-arms-footage-intl/index.html


    The awkward camera angle is meant to hide the fact that the owner of the phone is filming, but there is no mistaking the outlines of the heavy cargo being deposited on the dock in the Yemeni port of Aden last week.

    The distinctive shape of the US-made Oshkosh armored vehicle stands out in the early morning darkness, a piece of military hardware that is currently at the heart of a standoff between some American lawmakers and President Donald Trump's administration.

    Aden is controlled by the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, whose main partners are continuing to ship American-made weapons into the country despite bipartisan outrage in Congress over the way the US is backing Riyadh in this bloody and bitter conflict.

    This footage showing the unloading of a variety of US-made arms -- which was filmed illicitly at the offloading site, then obtained and verified by CNN -- is itself contentious. Multiple witnesses told CNN that Yemeni authorities, backed by the Saudi-led coalition, have been arresting and questioning those they suspect of leaking it to the media.

    Using whistleblower accounts and port documents CNN has identified the ship which offloaded the US weaponry in Aden last week as the Saudi-registered Bahri Hofuf. Looking at tracking data, the vessel's last recorded location was in the Saudi port of Jeddah on September 17, before it sailed to Port Sudan, arriving the following day.

    After this, the boat's tracking system was switched off, before it appeared again under the cover of darkness in Aden on October 29.
    Secrecy surrounds the flow of weaponry to Yemen's conflict that as of October 31 has killed more than 100,000 people since 2015, according to the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project.

    The fighting has divided the country's north from south. Iranian-backed Houthis rebels control the capital of Sanaa, while the US-supported, Saudi-led anti-Houthi forces hold Aden. Infighting in the south this summer -- between Saudi-supported forces of the internationally recognized government and UAE-backed separatists -- further splintered territorial control, threatening to plunge the entire country into a protracted and multi-sided war.

    A peace deal between government forces and the separatists was signed on Tuesday in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. It aims to end the power struggle around Aden and defer the issue of whether the south will secede until after the battle against the Houthi-controlled north has been won.

    Violating US arms agreements

    In February, a CNN investigation revealed that Saudi Arabia and the UAE -- key US allies -- had transferred American-made weapons to al Qaeda-linked fighters, hardline Salafi militias, and other fighting factions in Yemen, in violation of their agreements with Washington.

    Oshkosh Defense, the manufacturer of one of the armored vehicles (MRAPs) seen in the latest shipment, told CNN that the firm "strictly follows all US laws and regulations relating to export control."

    Last month, CNN revealed that US MRAPs had been distributed, in contravention of arms deals, to militia groups including the UAE-backed separatists. The separatists were using this equipment in the fight against government forces, who are also armed with US weapons.

    A State Department official told CNN that the American government takes all allegations of the misuse of US weaponry very seriously but insisted "there is currently no US prohibition on the use of US-origin MRAPs by Gulf coalition forces in Yemen." A spokesman for the Pentagon, Lt. Col Uriah L. Orland, told CNN "we cannot comment on any potential or ongoing investigations of claims of end-use violations," but also reiterated there was currently no prohibition on the use of US MRAPs in Yemen.

    CNN has found multiple instances this year where that weaponry was diverted, in defiance of end-user agreements.

    In response to CNN's request for comment a spokesman for the Saudi-led coalition Col. Turki Al-Maliki said "the information that the military equipment will be delivered to a third party is unfounded." He went on to say that "all military equipment is used by Saudi forces in accordance with term and conditions of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) adopted by the US government and in pursuance of the Arms Export Control Act."
     
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