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Improvement within

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hakeem94, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

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    I would have loved for Houston Rockets to have kept last years squad, all of them, and tried for improvement WITHIN and DEVELOPING stars out of our young players. Just like gsw did-and just like SAS has been doing for decades.
    That team had a lot of potential, young promising players and ton of elite shooters, who clearly improved a lot when given playing time and perhaps rhyno would of got rid of TC curse and him and gordon and lou would have played even better because it was only their first year in Houston. And remember they finished with 3rd best record in NBA in their first year together.

    I love and enjoy and am tremendously excited with moreys acrobatics but it would be awesome to see what would have happened if we had gone that route of developing within.
     
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    Zboy Contributing Member

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    You can gamble with improvements within if the talent level is close enough. Then you can rely on marginal improvements you get from chemistry and growth of young talent.

    The problem is that the benchmark is so far ahead on talent level that these marginal improvements won't get you close to them.

    You have to stack up on talent first and foremost and then hope that everything else will click.
     
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    We spent years doing that. We're looking to win now not later.
     
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    I would've too before game 6, but after that debacle we couldn't bring the team back as it was
     
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    Well first off GS had the picks to do so..... we did not... without a top 10 pick it ain't happening........ if you look at our roster we are entering the realm of the SAS way of development....... I believe that their players develop because they get to play with multiple star players .

    I think that aleviates the pressure of being great right away and having to to save a franchise.

    Instead they can in on a couple of skills to be able to contribute and get valuable playing time for rapid growth
     
  7. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Reality is there was not much upside to the guys we got rid off. Dekker was a scrub. Even if they all reached their ceiling, we would still lose comfortably to GSW
     
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    draymond green was a second round pick isaah thomas 60th pick there are a few other second rounders all stars that i cant rememebr now
     
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    talent level it seems to me is often just a matter of perspective... today someone is untalented and traded for peanuts next year the same player is mvp candidate leading his team to conference finals

    or one year a player is a bench player- the very next year he is a key cog in championship squad and all star-daymond green
     
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    Draymond doesn't work without Steph (7th I believe) and Klay (top 15)

    And Boston didn't grow IT.

    we've hit on 2nd rounders to but let's be honest 2nd rounders ain't carrying the team she that drafted them....
     
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    why so literal.. the point was you can get stars without cleaning your house
    picks no 7 15 or whatever are just random numbers there is no logical reason to believe you need top 10 pick to win besides we already have pick 3 harden
    inferring meanings from logical reasoning is something that we do every day you dont need to wait for some team to win without top 10 pick in order to win without top 10 pick
     
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    [​IMG]
    ^^ WITHIN ^^
    vv OUTSIDE IMPROVEMENT vv

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    Rockets may have ended up with the 3rd best record, but they were barely above a .500 team the second half of the season, and had their "paint points and threes" philosophy exposed in the playoffs.

    The gap between us and the Warriors wasn't going to be eliminated through improved team chemistry and the development of Sam Dekker. We needed an injection of star talent, end of story.
     
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    Plenty of stars outside top 10 picks. Just that Maury has never been a good drafter and able to hit on them

    Kawhi leonard
    Jimmy Butler
    Serge Ibaka
    Marc gasol

    etc
     
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    Developed exactly who from last year??

    Everyone was a vet. There is no more gettin better for those ppl, you have who you have.

    And I hope you aren't talking about Dekker, he isn't even going to be better than chandlers parsons before the injuries.

    Only person I have a little faith in is Harrell, and he wasn't going to be world beater either.

    We need to improve talent, and that is what we are doing now.

    We are better now than we were last year, and we aren't even close done acquiring the pieces that are going to start the season with us.
     
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    i appreciate the sentiment, but Gordon, Lou, Ariza, and Anderson are vets; there's not much "developing" they're gonna do. Maybe Anderson bounces back this year. Bev did develop over the year, and had his best year; maybe he could have kept improving. Dekker and Capela took another step and Capela will continue to develop.

    But i just don't see last year's roster realistically competing with the Warriors, development or not. We probably overachieved last year. We needed to upgrade to truly contend with the Warriors. And that's what we are in the process of doing. We upgraded from Bev to CP, and we added another defensive minded wing in Tucker. Hopefully we upgrade the 4-spot next.
     
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    But...but...Corey Brewer is your avatar....
     
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    Ginobili
    Michael Redd
    Gilbert Arenas
    Mo Williams

    Marc Gasol
    DA Jordan
    Millsap
    Dragic (almost Allstar season)
    Korver
     
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    Young promising players?? Outside of Dekker and Trez everyone is in there late 20s or early 30s, they're already developed at that age. And Dekker was the only one with some upside. Trez was a poor mans Faried.. for now enjoy the show and lets talk about developing within once Harden is gone and we start "Trusting the Process"
     
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    That's the exception - NOT the rule. That's like saying the best way to become a millionaire is to play the lotto. Sure it COULD happen but the odds are really low - much lower than say, creating your own startup. Even GS got lucky with Draymond - he wasn't even cracking the rotation until a series of injuries forced them to play him!

    ...and let's not forget that we have an MVP caliber player in his prime. Rolling the dice on Sam Dekker to eventually be good is the worst kind of gamble possible when talking about surrounding an MVP with talent before they are no longer MVP quality. The Warriors could afford to experiment and wait with their players because they were only mediocre at the time without a true star.
     
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