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Rockets showing interest in trading for Ricky Rubio?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Disciple2123, Jun 25, 2015.

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  1. Snow Villiers

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    What in the hell are you babbling about? :confused:
     
  2. basketballholic

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    It's dense to compare Rubio and Harden's stats as if you're replacing Harden with Rubio.
     
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    Because TO% is based on USAGE.
     
  4. batkins

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    LOL. Asking for teams to take on Pekovic's contract isn't asking for much? Okay...
     
  5. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    I'm using the basketball reference definition of:

    "An estimate of turnovers committed per 100 plays"

    I don't think that means it's based on usage but rather just 100 plays in general?
     
  6. larsv8

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    TOV% is an estimate of how often a player turns the ball over per possession. So Rubio turns the ball over once every five possessions (21% of the time), while Harden turns the ball over once every 6.2 possessions (15.9% of the time).

    Usage is how many of a teams total possessions are consumed by one player. Harden at 32.5%, Rubio at 17.7%, hence why Harden may turn the ball over more than Rubio (because he has more opportunity too), yet Rubio is more turnover prone (because on a single possession, all things being equal, Rubio is more likely to turn it over).
     
  7. UnknownGenius

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    Ricky Rubio is a very mediocre point guard. He cannot shoot and that is recipe for disaster playing next to Harden. Rockets have to do better than Rubio to be contenders.
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    That's what I thought.
     
  9. larsv8

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    I am not replacing Harden with Rubio. They are two separate players on two separate teams, both being the primary playmakers. Both using possessions to attempt manufacture points and not turn the ball over.

    Your premise is that Rubio is not more turnover prone than Harden, which is false.
     
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    100 plays that the player uses.


    TOV/(FGA + (.44 × FTA) + TOV))

    Do the math.

    That's why this calculation is meaningless in determining how efficient of a ball handler or distributor a player is.
     
  11. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    But your support of the stat Turnovers Per Game paints a clearer picture?
     
  12. alethios

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    I thought we were done with this Ricky Rubbish talk. :confused:
     
  13. YOLO

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    this hasn't died yet omg.

    Rubio is terrible. What happened to him working to improve his jumper this past year. It's still broke and he still sucks.

    Now I'm reading Pekovic too. How is he even relevant anymore. He can't even play more games that D Rose in the last 3 years.
     
  14. LosPollosHermanos

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    Pairing Harden with another PG that can't shoot?

    MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.
     
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    When you are talking about winning and losing games. ....absolutely.

    James is a great scorer. One of the top 3 scorers on the planet. But he's a very mediocre playmaker. He doesn't facilitate ball movement. He either doesn't see or he intentionally avoids making the simple plays. And he tries to do too much by forcing the action to the rim too often without regard for time, space, environment, and score. Those are things you can see. And the data backs it up.

    See my sig.
     
  16. steddinotayto

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    You deride Harden's playmaking ability and yet you compare him to Pete Maravich who, by many, was considered one of the best playmakers in the history of the NBA.

    What data outside of turnovers per game backs up your claim? Make me a believer.
     
  17. JoeBarelyCares

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    How about Brewer and K.J. for Rubio.
     
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    Remind me about this later. Today is a big day. I'm chasing a while bunch of stuff and really don't have time for this right now. Study championship teams data. That's where to start.
     
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    That's what I was thinking while playing around with the trade machine. I also put Harrell, but that might be a bit too generous of us.
     
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    Smth isn't right here.
    How come 6 months ago Minny was asking for the star and moon for Rubio and now is ready to just dump him? And Thibs who is actually valuing D over anything else?

    I'm not believing that rumour.
     
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