Both Kobe and Melo rely(d) more on mid post games. Neither is/was the distributor that Harden is, neither penetrate(d) like Harden. Very different players!
I think both made it to the first round. Melo did so after they fired Pringles and Kobe during the Achilles season.
Bull, Dantoni's track record alone PROVES he cannot control his star players. Nash and the Suns was different so don't even try to use that.
D'Antoni is not a fan of running entire offenses around back-to-the-basket post players. His philosophy actually damn-near mirrors the Rockets' philosophy.
Classic example of fans not giving D'Antoni a fair shake. Let me remind you of a few things. Melo has never actually played a full season under D'Antoni. Melo arrived in a mideason trade to NY, and played only 20 something games for D'Antoni in NY. The very next year, Melo drove D'Antoni out of town after only 38 games. So I don't know how you can blame D'Antoni for a lack of success with Melo when they were never even together for a full season. The situation wasn't much better in L.A. Kobe was never healthy enough to suit up for even one playoff game under D'Antoni. D'Antoni coached the Lakers to the playoffs in his first year, but Kobe ruptured his Achilles before the playoffs. D'Antoni's second year with the Lakers? Kobe, Dwight, and Nash were all gone. In the end, D'Antoni never got a full season with Dwight/Kobe. In his second year, everyone left and D'Antoni was left with the worst roster in the entire league. So I'm not sure you can blame D'Antoni for not having playoff success with Kobe when Kobe was never healthy enough to show up for the playoffs. People forget, but D'Antoni actually turned the Lakers around in 2013. They finished the regular season on a 28-12 run and he won Coach of the Month. They were the hottest team in the West, just in time for the playoffs. But then Kobe ruptured his Achilles.
Yeah god forbid you use one instance where D'antoni was successful, lol. Not that Im sold on him but considering they didn't even contact Vogel and the alternative was JVG we are dealing with the same problem we were always going to have. A one dimensional coach.
I'm saying that because it was a long time ago, players were up and coming, many teams already play more like those Suns and Nash is different from Kobe, Melo and Harden as a PG, playing style and mentality (not Kobe).
Yeah just ask Pau Gasol what he thought of D'Antoni. Guy did not impress Carmelo, did not impress Kobe - seems the only guys who like him are point guards.
So the initial claim is about Iso ball and you tell me I'm wrong about Kobe and Melo being Iso ball players because they're different kinds of iso ball players You really got me
That means that there are 9 teams that rarely run ISO. Why do you think that is? It's because they don't have players who excel at running ISO. Harden ran ISO 6.9 times per game last season. The Rockets averaged right at 101 possession per game. So why is the fact that Harden ran ISO 6.9 out of 101 possessions significant? Teams are going to play to the strength of their stars. Marc Gasol averaged 7.2 postups per game last season. That's more than 13 teams averaged last seson. Why is that? It's because Gasol is good at posting up and there's teams that rarely ever postup. Klay Thompson gets 6.3 shots per game off of screens. That's more than 17 teams averaged last year. Again that's because Thompson is good at it and there's quite a few teams who don't really take many shots off of screens. You'll see similar results in almost any play type. It's not surprising, each team is better at certain things and they have few attempts at the things that they aren't very good at. When you're also talking about something that happens that infrequently (less than 7 times per game), it's pretty insignificant. It makes for an interesting tweet but that's it. Regardless of the system, coaches are usually going to play to their stars strengths. What leads you to believe that Harden would ISO less with D'Antoni as coach? Carmelo and Kobe both still ran heavy ISO when playing for MDA so why wouldn't Harden? Even D'Antoni's Phoenix teams ran lots of ISO. Here's a quote from an Article discussing D'Antoni's LA Offense and what to expect: What may surprise people is how often the Suns used isolation. For a team known for its ball-movement, they had possessions end in isolations 12 percent of the time, a higher figure than it sounds. And they were extremely effective in it, finishing third in points per possession from that set, according to Synergy Sports. The secret there is spacing. If you have the right set of dangerous weapons and you space them well, you allow good players to use their talents. Isolation isn't inherently bad; it's bad if the defense is expecting it, if it's set and geared to stop it, if it's one-on-three not one-on-one. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/21045534/the-lakers-offense-under-mike-dantoni So the D'Antoni Suns ran ISO 12% of the time. In comparision, the Rockets ran ISO on 9.4% of their plays last season. We won't run less ISO because it's one of Harden's strengths. What would hopefully happen is that we'd run ISO from better situations to make them as efficient as possible. If that were to happen and we can put Harden in situations where he's getting more 1-on-1 then his ISOs may go up significantly.
This team doesn't need Pringles. What it needs is a guy who can bring a team together to play with intensity, who understands how to coach defense, and can work with a GM to surround Harden with guys who can shoot the ball and create more space for Harden and help him rack up more assists. It's crazy that Harden gets 7 assists per game given the horrible shooting percentage of his team mates. He definitely could be getting 10 if he had shooters.
Remember all these memes? Spoiler OP raises a great point. Because ISO...does not happen in this: Spoiler So good or bad, we'll have to see...that is IF -'Antoni is the next head coach. But I was thinking about that yesterday too. Good point to raise up for discussion IMO, OP. Repped.
