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Harden finishes 9th in MVP voting

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., May 10, 2016.

  1. BackdoorHarden

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    So Klay Averaging 30 points and 6 3's a game when Curry was out in the playoff makes Klay really lucky.

    Klay really benefited from Curry to the tune of 30 points a game when Curry was out
     
  2. BackdoorHarden

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  3. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Houston only fan
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    You don't think the rockets were awful this year?


    The players themselves, the front office, Clutch, 99% of the fans on here, the media, and god knows I guess everybody else seems to disagree with you.

    You a fan of squeaking in as the 8th seed and watching players not give a crap night in and out?

    Mediocrity is one thing, but what you're advocating is something else entirely.
     
  4. oogie boogie

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    73 wins. Thompson was the 2nd leading scorer on a 73 win team. I think he deserves to be top 10 in mvp voting. To me it really stops mattering after #4 or #5, but if we're going to list our top 10 Thompson absolutely deserves to be mentioned in the top 10. He's number 3 all time in three pointers made in a season, and he is also number 12 in ppg this season. The Warriors don't win 73 without Klay and they're not as elite offensively as they are without him. He might not be the 2nd most valuable player on his team, but he is critical to the Warriors success. He's very valuable. You also have to take an account of the attention Thompson gets. You think if Curry had someone like Monta next to him Curry would have an easier time being the player he is? Curry would still be amazing but the attention Klay draws himself also frees up Curry a lot. Vice versa as well. Curry also helps Klay. They both help each other by being great threats.
     
  5. SF3isBack!!

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    Oh now you're referring to the whole team, lol. Ok
     
  6. YaoMing#1

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    He's a good player and great shooter but his PER was like barley 19 and his TS% was actually worse than Hardens and This was hardens worst shooting seasons since his 2nd year in the league.

    I wish we could have a player like klay next to harden but to say he's a top 10 mvp guy or player is just wrong. They won 73 games I get that but that doesn't mean that we need to overrate all there players. They have Great coaching and a team that had over 5 guys shoot better than 40% from 3. They shot 40% as a team from 3 and made more than any team. There stacked from top to bottem and curry would be the first to admit that. Props to there GM he's killing it.

    But klay thompson would not have the rockets winning 55+ games if you swapped him out for harden he would not have had a season like harden has last year were he was 2nd in mvp and had a PER over 27. That's really hard to do and harden has done it 5 years straight when klay has yet to produce 1. Harden still finished second to curry in value added and wins over replacement player his advanced metrics still rate him as a top 5 player in a down year. Klay was 30th.
     
  7. Postcall

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    Do people actually think that Klay is better than Draymond?
     
  8. oogie boogie

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    Well, I just want to say that I'm not comparing Klay to James. James is the better player and any reasonable person would agree.

    I don't want to make this a Harden vs Thompson thing. It's not. I don't want to play a hypothetical put Thompson on the Rockets thing either because it's not. I'm simply saying Thompson would be in my top most valuable.

    #1 Curry - Obvious
    #2 Klaw - 67 win team, go to scorer when you need a bucket and DPoY
    #3 Bron - Cavs likely fall apart without him this season. Overall a very talented player.
    #4 Durant - Great season and helped lead team to 55 wins (but even this feels a bit undeserving)
    #5 Lowry - 56 wins and best player on team
    #6 Paul - Good season. Played without Blake. 4th seed
    #7 Westbrook - same as Durant but only 55 wins
    #8 Green - second most valuable on 73 win team
    #9 Aldridge - 67 wins, 2nd best player
    #10 Klay - reasons I gave in previous post.

    I'd take Harden as a player over a lot of those guys but my reasoning his how valuable a person is. Like how valuable is a lid on a cup with beverage in it vs a lid on a cup and no beverage in it? The lid on the former is clearly more valuable despite both doing the same thing. It's a weird analogy and you might say it's bogus, but it's how I see it. That's my take on what 'valuable' means.

    Like Curry is the beverage, Klay is the lid, Green is the cup. Then you got Kerr pouring the beverage in the cup and putting the lid on the cup. He then puts the roleplayers/straw in the cup to make it easier to drink.
     
  9. Harden's beard

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    D-Greene is the 2nd most important player in GSW. Klay is the 3rd wheel. That's why Klay was not included in top 10. Dennis Rodman was not considered a top 10 player when the Bulls won 72 games. Maybe Pippen, but not the 3rd guy. Klay doing well in the playoffs doesn't prove anything because the sample size is so small and the defense he faced was terrible. Houston and Portland defense are known to be one of the worst in the league. Scoring 25 points against them is nothing impressive.

    And still, it was Draymond Greene who led the GSW when Curry was out, Klay picked up his scoring, but did almost nothing else outside of that. D-Greene blows Klay out of water in metrics that measure how valuable a player is to his team like win shares or RPM, because D-Greene actually does everything to help his team win. Klay is a good scorer, but nothing more than that. Not a good passer, can't rebound, and his ball handling skills are pretty terrible. A rich man's Kevin Martin, but he's no superstar.
     
  10. jordnnnn

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    lol yes I am serious. When I realized Harden had been top 10 every year in Houston I wondered who else had also been top 10 over the last 4 years.

    Calm yourself.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    How's Lowry now?????

    Carrying his team to the ECF
     
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    Lowry had to work harder to even get to this point.

    Coming out of Nova Randy Foye was supposed to the impact NBA player, Lowry perhaps a complimentary piece, certainly not a #1 option.

    If Harden had his work ethic he may already be on that next level.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    Really happy for the guy, I remember the brooks/lowry debacle and I was wrong...never thought he'd be this good.

    I'm rooting for the raps hardcore. Rockets 2.0 in my mind.
     
  14. Drogba

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    Carrying? He's been carried all post-season lol. Is he even shooting over 35% yet?
     
  15. sabesque

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    I might be wrong but Lowry was around Harden's age when he was last a rocket. And he didn't have nearly the same attitude and leadership traits that he does now. It's not like Lowry has always been this way, it's not like harden will always be 2015 2016 harden.
     
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    He's playing in the ECF. Harden's been at the stop club for a month.
     
  17. spark06

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    Lol @ Lowry haters. Most people don't know ***** about basketball.
     
  18. spark06

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    Would you like that crow for here or to-go?:grin:
     
  19. spark06

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    Lol!!! Because he's not playing like an all-star, right?! Dude is a tremendous leader with a lot of dog in him. Proving you haters wrong.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Lowry with 18 before halftime hardensbeard
     

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