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Gore in Statistical Dead Heat with Bush, Leads All Democrats in Zogby/Draft Gore Poll

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  1. Oski2005

    Oski2005 Contributing Member

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    Got this from Drudge.
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    Draft Gore: Gore in Statistical Dead Heat with Bush, Leads All Democrats in Zogby/Draft Gore Poll

    9/11/03 6:51:00 PM


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    To: National Desk

    Contact: Monica Friedlander, 510-612-1935; e-mail: draftgore@draftgore.com; Herb Riede, 202-448-2919; Bill McCormack, 408-844-7080, all of Draft Gore 2004; Web: http://www.draftgore.com

    OAKLAND, Calif., Sept. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- For the first time since the 2000 elections, a major poll shows the country split evenly between former Vice President Al Gore and President Bush. The same poll also shows that half the voters in America have not forgotten the controversy of the 2000 election.

    The results of the Sept. 5-9 Zogby poll show Bush with less than majority support and only with the narrowest of margins over Al Gore, 48 percent to 46 percent -- a difference that's within the poll's margin of error (3.2 percent). Moreover, Gore leads Bush among independent voters by 47 percent to 43 percent.

    "More than two and a half years after the 2000 election and we are back where we started," said pollster John Zogby. "The country was evenly divided then and it is still evenly divided."

    The poll, conducted on Sept. 5-9 by Zogby International for Draft Gore (draftgore.com), also shows Gore easily leading all major contenders for the Democratic nomination with 24 percent compared to 16 percent for Dean, 12 percent for Lieberman, 11 percent for Kerry, 7 percent for Gephardt, and 2 percent for Edwards.

    "These results are stunning, considering that Al Gore is the only potential candidate who1s been out of the limelight since last December," says Draft Gore Chair Monica Friedlander. "The strength of support and staying power Gore enjoys clearly indicate that he has an excellent chance of beating George Bush in 2004. We're confident that results such as these will persuade Vice President Gore to enter the race and lead the Democratic Party to victory in 2004."

    None of the other Democratic contenders could hold Bush to less than 50 percent in a similar Zogby poll conducted one week ago. Howard Dean, Gore's closest competitor and widely considered the frontrunner among declared candidates, lagged 10 points behind Bush (42 percent to 52 percent).

    "Gore is clearly the most electable candidate," says Bill McCormack of Draft Gore. "What's the 2004 election about if not winning? Four years ago at this time Bush held a lead of more than 10 points over Gore, and Gore still won the popular vote in 2000. Now they start even, and the undecided vote tends to break in favor of the challenger. Gore is in a perfect position for 2004."

    In the match-up against Bush, Gore received 77 percent support from Democrats, 47 percent from independents, and 10 percent from Republicans.

    -- COUNTRY STILL POLARIZED OVER 2000 ELECTION

    Perhaps the most intriguing result of the poll was the almost even split on a question never asked of voters before. The poll asked respondents whether they agree or disagree that Gore would have been elected president had all the votes been counted in Florida in 2000. Almost half, 46 percent , agreed, and 48 percent disagreed (again, within the margin of error). A large majority of Democrats (70 percent) and a majority of independents (50 percent) believe Gore would have won had the Supreme Court not intervened.

    "Three years after being told to move on and get over the controversy, almost half the country still believes that with all the votes counted Gore would be in the White House now," Friedlander said. "This enduring belief gives Al Gore a standing among Democrats that is normally enjoyed by incumbent presidents."

    -- COUNTRY BETTER OFF UNDER GORE

    Asked whether the country would have been better or worse off under a Gore administration, a plurality of respondents (37 percent) gave the nod to a hypothetical Gore presidency. Only 33 percent said the country would have been worse off, and 21 percent said there would have been no difference. Both Democrats (64 percent) and independents (36 percent) feel Gore's leadership would have been better for America.

    Asked if they feel that Gore should run in 2004, a majority of Democrats in (52 percent) said yes.

    -- ABOUT THE POLL

    Zogby International interviewed 1000 likely voters nationwide from Sept. 5 through Sept. 9, 2003. The margin of error is plus/minus 3.2 percent. The poll was commissioned by Draft Gore 2004 (http://www.draftgore.com).

    ABOUT DRAFT GORE

    Draft Gore 2004 (draftgore.com) is a political action committee founded in December of 2002. It is the lead national organization advocating a Gore candidacy and draft in 2004. Draft Gore is not affiliated with former Vice President Al Gore. For more information, see http://draftgore.com.


    http://www.usnewswire.com/

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    #1 Oski2005, Sep 12, 2003
  2. GreenVegan76

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    This is wild. It's a moot point now, but why *isn't* Gore running? He ruled it out so early...

    I'm not saying I want him to run, but I do find it curious.
     
    #2 GreenVegan76, Sep 12, 2003
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking
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    Heck, he invented the internet, just think what he could do as President!


    ....the liberals' desperation continues.
     
    #3 El_Conquistador, Sep 12, 2003
  4. Deckard

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    I was jumping around the cable news channels last night, as I am apt to do, and on two of them (CNN and another) they had polls taken after Bush's recent "Speech to the Nation". The guy's numbers had dropped 7 or 8 points... depending on the poll.

    This was supposed to give him a bump or he wouldn't have made it.
    It did the opposite. His "advisors" must be ****ing in their pants.

    The Stepford President is getting more beatable by the day.

    I love it.
     
    #4 Deckard, Sep 12, 2003
  5. RocketMan Tex

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    Dubya is turning out to be living proof that anyone, at any age, can learn something from their father. Unfortunately for us, he didn't learn diplomacy from his father.
     
    #5 RocketMan Tex, Sep 12, 2003
  6. johnheath

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    I find it interesting that one of Hillary Clinton's political strategists said that Bush was not beatable in 2004.

    I don't think Gore is running for the same reason Hillary is not running- they don't think they can win.
     
    #6 johnheath, Sep 12, 2003
  7. Major

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    Just keeps getting worse for Bush.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030912.asp

    <I>PRINCETON, NJ -- President George W. Bush's job approval rating has dropped significantly over the last two weeks, and now, at 52%, is at its lowest point since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and within one point of the lowest rating during his presidency. The percentage of Americans who disapprove of Bush's performance, 43%, is the highest measured since he took office.

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    </I>
     
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  8. Major

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    I find it interesting that one of Hillary Clinton's political strategists said that Bush was not beatable in 2004.

    I don't think Gore is running for the same reason Hillary is not running- they don't think they can win.

    They both made the mistake of announcing that decision way too far in advance. They thought it would be better to run against someone new in 2008. Turns out they might end up running against an incumbent Democrat, though. :)

    I'm actually glad - I think the party could use some new blood, especially someone like a Wesley Clark.
     
    #8 Major, Sep 12, 2003
  9. GreenVegan76

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    I don't agree with their sentiment, but I can see how they came to that conclusion. Bush will *definitely* be hard to beat in 2004 and it'll take the right candidate to do it. At this point, anyway, I'm not sure Gore or Clinton would energize the voters.
     
    #9 GreenVegan76, Sep 12, 2003
  10. Friendly Fan

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    This is the end of the Republican party.

    The conservatives are desperate now. They realize that their reign of terror is almost over, and Bush II will be sent home in disgrace like his wacky old man.











    [how's my TJ impression?]
     
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  11. Mr. Clutch

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    You forgot one thing:
    EXPOSED!
     
    #11 Mr. Clutch, Sep 12, 2003
  12. Baqui99

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    Gore won't run in 2004, because of the media circus. As if presidential elections weren't crazy enough, the whole campaign would turn into Bush vs. Gore II, instead of focusing on the issues. Besides, there's also a good chance that Gore will lose the next election to Bush -> a complete humiliation.

    Personally, I lost most respect for Gore when he refused to ride Clinton's coattails to victory in '00, thinking he could win it all by himself. Not to mention that he chose closet conservative, Joe Losermann as his running mistake. Oh, and let's not forget the ridiculous lie he told during that debate in which he brought up the girl without a desk in the Sarasota, Fla. classroom. Basically, Gore has nobody but himself to blame for fouling up the '00 election.
     
    #12 Baqui99, Sep 12, 2003
  13. Friendly Fan

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    thanks for the heads up

    dang it, almost got it right

    I'll do better next time
     
    #13 Friendly Fan, Sep 12, 2003
  14. Maynard

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    Gore never said he "invented" the internet

    he certainly was a key figure in CREATING the internet as we know it from ARPANET


    this LIE is a favorite of the right-wing media...Gore never claimed to have invented it dumbass

    T_J's Lies EXPOSED again
     
    #14 Maynard, Sep 12, 2003
  15. Friendly Fan

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    the internet lie is one of the many lies the lying liars tell


    the number one rule of neo-cons is that if you say something enough, it BECOMES true.
     
    #15 Friendly Fan, Sep 12, 2003
  16. RocketMan Tex

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    No question. The 2000 Presidential election was Gore's to lose, and he lost it.
     
    #16 RocketMan Tex, Sep 12, 2003
  17. Mulder

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    consider yourself

    REPORTED

    Love, Tattletale_Jones
     
    #17 Mulder, Sep 12, 2003
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    I always thought that if he let Clinton campaign for him, he would have pulled away. But who knows.
     
    #18 Mr. Clutch, Sep 12, 2003
  19. Maynard

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    gasp! did I say that?

    it just slipped, i promised!

    :rolleyes:
     
    #19 Maynard, Sep 12, 2003
  20. RocketMan Tex

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    I always thought that as well, but hindsight is always 20/20.
     
    #20 RocketMan Tex, Sep 12, 2003
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