Your Top 3/Favorite (hardcore) Rap Group(s) Of All Time

Yeah I take hardcore to mean kinda gangster, but a bit before the Dre-Snoop Gangsta days.

Hardcore was a time when LL wrote Momma said knock you out.
when 911 was a joke in your town.
actually the entire Iced T Origonal Gangster album is hardcore. the Judgment day soundtrack is perfect because it was hardcore rap mixed with hardcore rock
cypress hill actually counts, ghetto boys for sure. I am actually glad you guys mentioned them they were one of the few non NYC hardcore rappers. it is just where rap was at the time.

an great example song from a group that I mentioned above, Naughty by nature is "uptown Anthem" from the joice soundtrack

this is a song that is pretty hard, but alot of their other stuff OPP, hay ho, those were party songs. but later on Craziest, was pretty hard again

it happens in all genres

 

I highly disagree with the people that say rap is in a sorry state now. I haven't heard most of the bands on this poll, but I think the best are guys still makin music right now. I love 50 Cent, Lil Jon and the Eastside boys, Eminem, Dr. Dre/Snoop Dogg...There's the "dopest" (haha) beats comin out recently like Youngbloodz ft. Lil Jon - Damn, David Banner - Like a Pimp and so on....the beats in rap are so tight now.

 

YOU TELL THEM HOOP-T

FRICKING MINDS PLAYING TRICKS ON ME

Rocket River
Tribe and Outkast . .. hardcord???

 

Thats all good MadMax...if you just don't like it anymore... I'm no one to judge someone's perspective. Its just the blanket generalizations made in the other posts are simply not true. Alot of folks forget Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, and C&C Music Factory were from the same era as PE and ATCQ. Its not like everyone back then walked around with a big clocks around their necks with fist in air trying to make change.

 

I'm not talking about quality of MC'ing, I'm talking about substance. Listen to a PE CD and it's incredibly political and involved. Groups used to hit subjects hard, Ice T going after Tipper Gore is particularly memorable to me. Even no subtance groups like Two Live Crew had songs like Banned in the USA. Nobody is rapping about civil liberties being lost, nobody is rapping about illegitimate wars, nobody is rapping about fascist John Ashcroft, nobody rapped about the riots in Cincy that I know of, nobody is rapping about Liberia or Ruwanda or anywhere else the way they rapped about apartheid in South Africa. Hell mainstream rock and alternative has even become more political and involved than rap. Show me where all the substance in today's rap game is hiding though because I'd love to hear it.


Oh yeah, real rap isn't LL Cool J in Gap commercials or JayZ remaking Tupac raps into Beyonce videos for MTV.

 

Geto Boys.

 

No love for poor Grandmaster flash. I guess "the message" doesn't have the same rosy nostalgia culture impact that the everly bros or the king or those f...ing horrific insects do for their washout generations.

 

GraveDiggaz were the ****. "Mommy, what a GraveDigga" has got one of the tightest hooks in rap history, IMHO.

RIP Grim Reaper.

 

Here is a broad example of rappers...


To satisfy your political agenda:
J-Live - "Satisfied" Album: All of the Above 2002

Hey yo, the air's still stale
The anthrax got my Ole Earth wearin' a mask and gloves to get a meal
I know a older guy that lost twelve close peeps on 9-1-1
While you kickin' up punchlines and puns
Man f--- that s---, this is serious biz
By the time Bush is done, you won't know what time it is
If it's war time or jail time, time for promises
And time to figure out where the enemy is
The same devils that you used to love to hate
They got you so gassed and shook now, you scared to debate
The same ones that traded books for guns
Smuggled drugs for funds
And had fun lettin' off forty-one
But now it's all about NYPD caps
And Pentagon bumper stickers
But yo, you still a n----
It ain't right them cops and them firemen died
The s--- is real tragic, but it damn sure ain't magic
It won't make the brutality disappear
It won't pull equality from behind your ear
It won't make a difference in a two-party country
If the president cheats, to win another four years
Now don't get me wrong, there's no place I'd rather be
The grass ain't greener on the other genocide
But tell Huey Freeman don't forget to cut the lawn
And uproot the weeds
Cuz I'm not satisfied

3 for the price of 1:
Nas - "Doo Rags" Album: The Lost Tapes 2002

Political thugs in shark suits persuade us to pull triggers
in army boots, yellin "Join the armed forces!"
We lost the Vietnam War, intoxicated poisons
Needles in arms of veterans instead of bigger fortunes
There's still a lot of naked crawlin in the corporate offices
War in the ghetto, we crabs in a barrel, they torture us
They won't be servin the beast too long
The murderers wearin police uniforms, confederate flags I burn
Beat Street breakers were dancin to the music I chose
And Peachtree Atlantic crackheads was tootin they nose
in frozen corners of Chicago, loaded up Llama's children
with fo'-fo's, and double-revolvers
We devil incarnates, headed for jail
Where Shell gas company in South Africa be havin us killed
Your paper money was the death of Christ
And all these shorties comin up just resurrect your life
It's like a cycle

A little bit of everything:
Canibus "M Sea Cresy" Album: Rip the Jacker 2003

find the answers that we didnt know, maybe Edgar Allan Poe's
description of El Dorado is not so
see the reason there's no light at the end of tunnel
is cuz we're really not in a tunnel, we're trapped in a bubble
the government hired Ian LeDrexis society
can you explain why you believe hell is firey?
we sufferin from symptons of Drapetamania
slavery isnt over, it just took a new alias
the day the repository established with a maintenance
almost turned me into an atheist scared of aliens
why write lyrics when I make a better livin
sellin freeze dried venom to wildlife clinics?
cuz I hate the thought of bein a predictable bore
once you get used to me you wont love me no more
the final soliloquy of the internal paramour
what are we all to do when rap music is gone?
I hope god that the imagination of one
a golden tongue can achieve synchronicity with the sun
transcended beyond the flesh and the blood
cuz this is #1, after this album my message is done


On a more personal level:
Bubba Sparxxx "Deliverance" Album: Deliverance 2003

I left off of mama's with my thumb in the wind
The leaves on the ground, winter's comin again
Solid on the surface as I crumble within
But legends are made out of honorable men
So on the brink of death I still manage livin life
Cause so rarely in this world are these chances given twice
I indeed sold my soul, without glancing at the price
No instructions when I was handed this device
But with what I did get, I was more than generous
Put others over self on several instances
But I'm back on my feet without a hint of bitterness
And one way or another I shall have deliverance

Just for fun:
Little Brother - "Listening" Album: The Listening 2002

This is a message for our people chasing benjamins
With real rhymes and skills they believing in
Keeping them bad tapes rolling like michellin
it don't matter, cause n----- ain't listening
They ain't listening, they thinkin bout they timbalands
They say the s--- we talk about ain't interestin
We got a better chance of blowing up in switzerland
Holla if you hear it cause n----- ain't listening


All of these albums can be found at any place that sells cds, not to mention online shops. I stayed away from the usual suspects like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, or J5...and more hard to find artists...etc...There is so much more.

 

OutKast - ATLiens, a most own in any record collection. just put it in and drive.

 

Also, where is UGK, Shiwshahouse, Mike Jones and any other Houston rapper on the list.

 

No mention of:

Ruthless Juveniles (New Orleans):
"Die N*gg*"
"Hellbound"
"Where Dey At"

UGK (P.A., Texas):-
"Pocket Full of Stones (Pts. 1 and 2)"
"Short Texas"
"Front, Back & Side to Side"

ghetto/thug life, guns, drugs, death, crime, h*'z, and in general a f*cked up attitude to glue it all together = hardcore rap

That rules out Run DMC, Outkast, Tribe Called Quest.

 

UGK and the 3-6 Mafia definetly deserve some love. some great rap songs have been made between those two.

 

Of the one's you listed.

1. Wu-Tang and all the solo albums
2. Tribe
3. Outkast

I like Public Enemy alright, but think they're kind of overrated. Chuck D just never really impressed me much as an MC.

My favorite rap group of all time is De la Soul.

 

beats don't make u hardcore

The lyrics are what are WACK now

Rocket River
people perfer cutey phasing and obscure references to actual content

 

Digital Underground
Bone Thugz
NWA

 

Eightball & MJG
Street Military
Fakkulty

Local or not, these are the best I've heard. Maybe someone else remembers them. If so they can tell ya'll how great these were. A rapper by the name of Bam gave The Fakkulty their debut on a song called "Negative Thoughts." I gotta say that's as hard as it gets. Right up there with Ball & G's "Lay it Down" and Street's "Don't Give A Damn."

 

^^^^ Finally someone who knows about Fakkulty and Street Military...