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[WTF] Did Adelman just throw the game?!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Nov 16, 2010.

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  1. TMacAttack

    TMacAttack Member

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    Well we beat ourselves period.

    But to the play you were referring to I think it was just a gamble, but there is some logic behind it. If one of there poorer FT shooting players gets the inbound pass lets role the dice that he misses at least one shot.

    If we go the traditional route and not foul and our defense doesn't hold we would be down 5 or 6 with a good chance the game clock would be around ~8sec.

    We foul:

    If he makes both we are down 5 with 24 seconds left.

    If he misses one shot we would down by 4 with 24 seconds left.

    Misses both, of course would be our best outcome.

    Simply put the more time left in the game the more opportunity there is for the Bulls to screw up (whether it be a turnovers or missed FT).
     
  2. leebigez

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    cxbby, i just rewatched the last prtion of the game and i think another poster touched on it already. The bulls couldve run the clock all the way down and left the rockets with 7 seconds and no timeouts. I also think the bulls had a foul to give. So, the rockets have 0 to's and have to inbounds from the baseline. The bulss defense will make them burn at least 3-4 seconds then the foul will come. Make first,miss second, foul again. Now you're looking at 2 seconds and under and down by 3 or more and 0 to's.
     
  3. peleincubus

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    pretty sure they had another time out. there is no explaining it. it was a dumb foul they didnt give themselves a chance to tie.
     
  4. nodstonothing

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    I'll keep saying it, you guys can blame Adelman all you want but the reality is this team just isn't very good, it's not Adelman's fault. A coach can't overcome a mediocre roster coupled with injuries. The reason Hill isn't getting minutes is because he makes too many mistakes on defense and it seems like the Rockets management isn't ready to give up on the season. Once that happens, they'll tell Adelman that they're going into rebuilding mode and prioritize developing young players over wins. Right now, Adelman is just doing his job.
     
  5. GATER

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    LMAO...tanking 10 games in for an "inknown" commodity. Wow, talk about history repeating itself! :p
     
  6. GATER

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    There was a timeout at the 1:02 marker and an on screen display showed the Rockets with two 20's remaining. The score was 89-86 and the Bulls had possession.

    Both teams missed FG attempts and the Bulls again had possession with 23.8 on the game clock. And 16 on the shot clock. The Bulls called this TO as Tibby-do was worried about an 8 second violation. And again, the Rockets having two 20's was flashed on the screen.

    A reset...89-86...Bulls with the lead and possession...16 on the shot clock and 23.8 on the game clock. Rockets with two 20's.

    On the inbound, Battier fouled Noah. There were 22.2 on the game and 14 on the shot.

    As leebigez pointed out, had the Rockets not fouled, the Bulls could have taken the game clock to ~ 8 seconds. The Bulls would have minimally been up by 3 and you'd have placed trust in a defense that hadn't stopped Derrick Rose all evening.

    Bulls up by 3. Your choice...Noah at the line with 22.2 or Rose with the ball and 10-12 seconds on the game clock.

    In any event, according to the on screen displays, the Rockets had two 20's when they fouled Noah at 22.2. But of course, let's not let the facts get in the way of more anti-Adelman rants.
     
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  7. CXbby

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    We did have a timeout and took it after Noah's made FTs. As a matter of fact I think we might of had another timeout after that.
     
  8. BEAT LA

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    It was dumb, but when was the last time the Rockets got a rebound in the last minute of the game? It's been a problem for years. The other team dribbles out the clock and manages to get their own rebound. Game. Set. Match.
     
  9. mlwoo

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    You're crazy. There is no motivation to tank with the Knicks swap. All it would do is hurt the locker room and make sure no one big ever wants to come here.... Not that they were going to anyway.
     
  10. yao2kmart

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    I agree with you there, we should only be playing Chuck Hayes when an Elite PF is playing against us, like an Amare, Duncan, or Kg, but when PF scrubs come and play against the Rockets, Jordan Hill should definatly be playing about 25-30mpg.
     
  11. vick

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    JVG would have played for a defensive stop, went inside out, for a three point play. :grin: hopefully tied game ;) ;) . Go to overtime and win the game. :) :)
     
  12. Depressio

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    Were you watching the game? Did you see how terribly the bench was playing? We basically fell behind every single time the bench saw the court and you're complaining about them not playing enough? Seriously?

    Total +/- for starters: +36
    Total +/- for bench: -51

    Adelman goes with what is working. The bench was not working.
     
  13. joesr

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    dont u let your young guys get exp in tank mode?
     
  14. yobod

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    If we had just played out the clock and gotten a stop, we'd be down 3 with 8 seconds left, why even bother hoping they miss both? It was a stupid decision...
     
  15. hmittal

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    We need to bring back JVG! End of Story!!
     
  16. Depressio

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    So hoping we get a stop but having fewer options if they don't due to lack of time versus hoping they miss free throws but having more options if they don't? I like more options. Both outcomes are purely based on crossing your fingers, so you can't really legitimately claim one is undoubtedly better than the other.
     
  17. yobod

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    50% chance we get a stop and get the ball back

    70-80% they make the free throws putting us in the hole further
     
  18. Depressio

    Depressio Contributing Member

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    Please show the math you used to get your numbers.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  19. leebigez

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    Yeah,like gater said,they had 2-20 second timeouts left, but i cant remember if the rockets were in the penalty. It really showed that adelman wanted to have more time and a chance for the to miss freebies vs trying to stop rose and having 8secs or less on the clock. The new rules allow the team to advance the ball to half court,but time wouldve still been an issue.
     
  20. Angkor Wat

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    You foul to stop the clock. Let's say we don't get a stop or they get an offensive rebound (since we didn't rebound well). Now, how much time is left on the clock?
     

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