Would Olajuwon consider Houston a title contender with the acquisition of C-Webb?

without a sign and trade to confuse the issue, hakeem staying means no webber. renouncing the rockets' rights to hakeem is where the money to sign webber comes from.

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in that case good by me. i thought it was like baseball where if you renounce the rights you couldn't resign the guy for some time . . .

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Truthfully I don't think Hakeem can coexist with Chris Webber (if the Rockets did land him). Dream already complains that he is not part of the offense enough. Unless he absolutely understood that he is needed to be the defensive presence in the middle, and may get a few touches in the game. Hopefully the Rockets will get Webber, and if Hakeem does decide to play another season, perhaps he'll choose the latter, and take the reserved role. The Rockets would definitely have a better chance with Hakeem, than without him.

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This season, Hakeem has complained because he knows the Rockets do not have a true low-post player, outside of himself, so he has rightfully complained. If the Rockets land Webber, I think that Hakeem will realize that Webber is the best low-post option, and will play a complimentary role quite hapilly. A lineup of Steve, Mobes, Shandon, Webber, Hakeem, possibly Mo off the bench, and assorted role players would definitely contend, if not win the title outright. I think Hakeem would accept a role that would good for the team. Obviously, for the Rockets to play really well, Hakeem still needs to be somewhat of a go-to guy. Tonights game proved it.


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"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."

 

Imagine this scenario:

Rockets sign Webber,
Rockets sign Hakeem
Rockets starting lineup is Hakeem, Webber, Shandon, Cuttino, and Francis.
Rockets make the playoffs next year.
Rockets win the championship next year.
Hakeem goes out on top as a 3-time Champion.

Not a single person in the world would be happier then me. While I agree the above mentioned notion is 99.9% not going to happen....I am just pumped after todays performance by our Dream

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To point out individuals or teams that have managed to reach the pinnacle of SUCKINESS!!!!!
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Countingcrow we just have to hope that Sac-town gets knocked out of the playoffs in the first round. An early exit will show Webber that the fake ass pg they have in J-Dubb is not going to help him get where he wants to go. Francis is the one that can get him there.

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If the Rockets sign Webber in the off season, I'll eat my own crap. There's not chance in hell CWebb bolts for the Rockets. I'd kill to see the guy in the pinstriped p.j.s, but it's not going to happen. The strongest possibility is Sactown. Let's say the get bumped out in the 1st round for the 3rd straight year. We still have to get past his hometown (Detroit, unlikely since they're going to suck for years, but still a stronger possibility than just running for the $$$) and New York (who may not be able to afford him, but the possibility of reuniting with Spree has got to sound attractive to him).

The question is, why would he come to Houston. The cash? He'll get that anywhere he goes (which leaves Detroit smelling better than Houston). The players? Sure you can't beat Francis and Mobley, but how about some support down low for the big man. Cato? I'm not sure if that's the kind of support he's looking for.

He's looking for a winner. Houston has yet to demonstrate it's winning potential. Sacramento has the best record and has been shooting up ever since CWebb hit town. Why give it up? If he does, it won't be the first stupid decision he's made.

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I dunno about Hakeem - he's very open right now. I do know that a Francis-Mooch-Cuttino-Shandon backcourt could ONLY be enhanced by a CWebb-like PF. OK, maybe not that strict, but a fast, agressive, hi-scoring PF who can occasionally play defense....

I can't say that I think the chances of Hakeem resigning here are high; they're very low. If I were you I'd expect Hakeem to be either waived or traded soon (unlikely as it sounds after tonight's game). One good game does not excuse scores of bad ones.

My one, simple question to Hakeem would be: Can you do it again?

My guess is that he cannot. Of course, I'd keep playing him until... I truly hope he can prove me wrong, but...

I must admit, thinking about a Hakeem/CWebb/Anderson/Mobes/Francis lineup does have its appeal (OK, I'm drooling...)

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Actually, once you renounce a player, you can't resign him for 6 months. Until you renounce him or sign him to a new deal, he counts 150% of his last salary against the cap. If we don't renounce Dream, we don't sign Webber.
j


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kprc radio said after the game in philly last week or so that we have just as good a chance and better at landing Webber in the offseason due mainly to Olajuwan's contract expiring. and yes we could resign him if he signs last after Webber for the minimum or possibly better. neither New York, Detroit or the Magic have the cap space we do, only a sign and trade are possibilities with them and they would have to give up too much to make it worth it in the long run. for that matter we could probably do a sign and trade as well involving mo-tay going to Sac town and give both players the salaries they want.



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I was under the impression that Olajuwon's contract will expire at the end of the year. At this time we will have the cap room to sign Webber. We could then sign Olajuwon to the minimum, if he would take it. I doubt anyother team would sign him for much more than that. Therefore, we don't have to release him in order to sign Webber.

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Actually, once you renounce a player, you can't resign him for 6 months. Until you renounce him or sign him to a new deal, he counts 150% of his last salary against the cap. If we don't renounce Dream, we don't sign Webber.

silent j,

You are quoting rules from the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement. The rules for renouncing players was changed in the latest CBA. Here's the explanation from the Salary Cap FAQ:

As detailed in question number 25, free agents continue to count against their team's salary cap. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right until the following June
30 to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird salary cap exceptions to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts against the team's salary cap, so
teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player (the previous CBA prevented teams
from re-signing a renounced player until 55 days into the regular season), but they must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player without using
one of the three "Bird" exceptions.

For example, in August 1999 Charles Oakley was renounced by the Toronto Raptors. Had they not renounced him, the Raptors could have re-signed Oakley for any
amount up to the maximum $14 million using the Larry Bird exception. Following the renouncement, they were only allowed to give him up to the $6 million they had
available under the cap.

After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 64).

If we renounced Hakeem, then he'd count nothing against the cap and then we could resign him to the Veteran Minimum ($1M).


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I don't think we would have to renounce Hakeem to sign Webber, if we could sign him for an average deal, say $4 million, one year. We sign Hakeem first, which clears cap to sign Webber. We would have to renounce Shandon and Mo, however:
In summer 2002, Hakeem, Walt and Carlos come off the cap. That frees up $10 million to sign a top free agent (Vince Carter?)

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So, theoretically, we could waive Dream, resign him at the end of the season for $1 million+, and then pull a sign & trade (without any adverse cap consequences)? Correct me if I'm wrong, please?

I'm listening. Continue, please?

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As much as I want Webber, i dont think he will come. Also, I think Hakeem is done. Last night's game was a fluke.

A more realistic team would be Haywood or Woods, Mo Taylor, Vincent Yarbrough, Mobley, Franchise.

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The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?