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With all the bad news about the high cost of living these days...

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  1. Roxfan73

    Roxfan73 Rookie

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    ...It's nice to know one thing has stayed the same for the last 25 years:

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    Mexican mar1juana is still plentiful — and cheap
    The popular drug's prices have changed little in 25 years


    By DANE SCHILLER
    Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

    A car, a home, a gallon of milk — most everything costs more now than a generation ago. Except a baggie of Mexican mar1juana.

    Give or take a few dollars, authorities say, pot grown in Mexico and sold in Houston and other Texas cities still goes for about the same price as 25 years ago: $60 to $80 for an ounce.

    In economic terms, mar1juana is far cheaper since the decade when a three-bedroom home in upscale West University cost $150,000, a new ride was less than $6,000 and first lady Nancy Reagan urged kids to "Just Say No."

    "I guarantee you it is probably cheaper than it was back in the day," said Lt. Gray Smith of the Houston police narcotics division. "Since I've been in the dope business, it has been pretty much the same," he said of prices during 20 years of monitoring sales.

    Others agree.

    "I don't care if you put 10 Marine divisions along the Mexican border, you are never going to be able to stop the movement of drugs, mar1juana, across the border," said Mike Vigil, the Drug Enforcement Administration's former chief of international operations.

    The problem is not only that the 2,000-mile-long border is huge, but also that the U.S. depends on people and commerce being able to freely flow in and out of the country.

    "If you were to search everything, you'd have lines going back 100 miles," Vigil said.

    Although rarely bestowed with the infamy or educational focus of other illegal substances, the dried, greenish-brown plant remains the most-used illicit drug in the United States, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.


    Seizures have climbed
    An estimated 97 million Americans age 12 or older have smoked mar1juana, according to the 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Among schoolkids, it is considered the leading drug problem after alcohol.

    "The efforts to stop the flow of mar1juana — despite cost and manpower involved — have failed," said Bruce Bagley, who studies illegal drugs for the University of Miami. "There is a surplus and an abundance of mar1juana flowing into the United States."

    Despite the emergence of fancy designer mar1juana, most of the pot in the U.S. comes from Mexico.

    Discussion about the mar1juana market and attitudes about the drug comes as the White House recently announced disputable findings that there is a shortage of cocaine in many U.S. cities.

    Drug czar John Walters portrayed a spike in cocaine prices during the first six months of 2007 as progress because a key drug-war goal is to squeeze supply and drive up prices to discourage use. DEA spokesman Steve Robertson said low mar1juana prices, however, don't signal defeat.

    "Every time we seize an amount of mar1juana, no matter how small or large, that is a blow against these criminal organizations, and that deprives the organization of money. It is also one less opportunity for somebody to mess up their lives," he said.

    According to a drug market analysis released earlier this year, federal, state and local police assigned within the Houston-based High Intensity Drug Trafficking area saw mar1juana seizures climb from 85,582 pounds in 2005 to last year's haul of 191,000 pounds.

    Based on the weight of a typical mar1juana cigarette, enough mar1juana to roll more than 171 million joints was taken out of commission in a 16-county area, including Houston and portions of the Texas Gulf Coast.


    'A lot of customers'
    "It is phenomenal," Robertson said of the amount of mar1juana. "There is a lot of grass coming across the Southwest border, and we're seizing a lot, but the reason there is a lot is because there are a lot of customers."

    Jorge Cervantes, who has a Web site on mar1juana growing and is a columnist for High Times magazine, said governments worldwide know they can't snuff out drugs.

    "They know there is no way they can win," said Cervantes, who spent part of last year visiting Mexican mar1juana farms.

    mar1juana can be bought for as little as $30 a pound in remote stretches of Mexico and can be sold for $500 in Houston, or for at least twice that amount when packaged in smaller user quantities, said David Gonzalez, a 26-year-old West Texan who ran a drug-trafficking organization started by his father and served prison time in Texas.

    "Start breaking it up for high school kids or small-time consumers — a joint here, a joint there — you can make almost a thousand bucks off it," he said. "But the risk is greater. You have to peddle it on the street."

    Mexican mar1juana prices stay low because the major drug-trafficking cartels don't charge smaller players a fee to do business or smuggle through their turf, Gonzalez said. "You never hear of people getting killed over a few pounds of mar1juana, but you do over a few ounces of cocaine. mar1juana is pretty much an open market. Nobody controls it, nobody wants to control it."

    Some speculate that Mexican mar1juana remains popular because many drug-using Americans are not willing to pay for more powerful and pricey plants grown in the United States. "Mexican mar1juana is inferior. They have not innovated as much as the California hippies," said Bagley.


    Price not indicative
    Still, Mexican mar1juana holds a steady place in the market because it is far cheaper than the U.S.-grown mar1juana and is not as debilitating, especially for new users.

    It might be like comparing bargain beer to Chivas Regal, an upscale Scotch whiskey.

    Rosalie Pacula, a senior economist and co-director of the RAND Drug Policy Research Center, said that not much information is gathered on the price and potency of mar1juana grown outside the United States because it's hard to draw conclusions from the prices.

    "The dollar price on a bag of mar1juana is not indicative of the value of the bag, as you must also know the quantity and potency of the mar1juana inside to know its real price," she said. While figures could indicate law enforcement isn't impacting prices, she said, the market also changes.

    Jon Gettman, an analyst and former national head of the National Organization for the Reform of mar1juana Laws, said mar1juana prices could stay low because Texas is so close to an unlimited supply of the drug.

    "Presumably Gulf Coast shrimp is cheaper in Houston than it is in Minnesota, and this is true for many commodities throughout the country and the world," he said.
     
  2. Bassfly

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    this is how it should be. mar1juana was put on mother earth for you and me.

    /me passes the joint to poster below me
     
  3. krnxsnoopy

    krnxsnoopy Contributing Member

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    rofl... that's funny

    but yeah, mexican mar1juana blows.. I like my stuff from Canada :D
     
  4. HAYJON02

    HAYJON02 Contributing Member

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    No man. Martian weed is out of this... forget it.
     
  5. dntrwl

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    60 to 80 bucks for an ounce! Wow that is quite expensive, I think I am gonna have to stick with 10-15 meals instead of getting r****ded for a few hours this year :cool: . I need mah moneys
     
  6. LegendZ3

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    Few hours? How much do you smoke? An ounce would last me couple weeks.
     
  7. bobmarley

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    40$/oz all day, what! no but seriously I'd rather get the good all of the time but sometimes it doesn't always work economically for me.

    passes joint to next poster*
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Yeah, it's definitely a cheap habit...way cheaper than drinking or smoking cigs.*






















    Does not include the price of sour jelly bellys or Reese's Fastbreak candy bars. :D
     

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