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Why Morey doesn't go after Paul? Intriguing question and interesting answers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by _RTM_, Jul 25, 2010.

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Two-year experiment with Paul is good or bad for Rockets?

Poll closed Aug 24, 2010.

  1. Yes, they will become a true-contender. We should try to win a championship right now

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  2. No. we will lose to much for this risky move

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  1. _RTM_

    _RTM_ Member

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    Everyone knows, that CP3 is the best PG in the world and we have a lot of assets to trade for him but right now, we are not in the contention in the Race for Chris Paul. Why? We have a lot of young solid role players, who can play basketball on high level, we have multiple draft picks, we have an amazing general manager and a team, that will play in the Western Conference Finals (as min) if Paul chooses Houston and Morey'll make a deal. So, why not? All eggs in one basket. But, this is not enough

    First of all we should understand, that our division rival - Hornets - would try to get everything they can for a top-5 player in the NBA. Young players, multiple draft-picks, rights for Llull etc. It is very important part of the rebuilding process. Right now Rockets need to lose a lot of young talent if they want to bring Chris Paul. Aaron Brooks - is not a player, that NOH needs. They already have Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton - two tallented barbie-sized guards - and they will not use AB as their own version of Jason Terry because of size. It's not what they need, so DM should trade Brooks for the player, that Hornets need. It's quite difficult.

    After that he will complete this deal with Chase, Hill or/and Pat Pat, Ariza, Andersen and Jared + Knicks and our first round picks for Chris and Okafor. And what we would have?

    CP3 - Lowry
    Martin - Taylor
    Battier -
    Scola - Okafor - Hayes - Hill/Pat Pat
    Yao - Okafor - Miller

    This is not the best lineup ever. Rockets'll are already use their MLE, they will give up all their picks and there are no solid free agents left in the market, except McGrady but you know, that he'll never step to the Rockets locker room again. Disbalanced squad with bad bench - is not what injury-plagued team needs

    Morey will have to sacrifice the future of Rockets for... just two years with Chris. He'll be free agent in 2012 and he'll try to sign the most important five year max deal in his career. Deal with a team that will give him an opportunity to win a multiple titles. And Rockets are not that king of a team. If Yao will play on his own level for two years from nowadays - it would be a miracle. After that, he'll start to decline. He'll be 32, Scola will be 32, Shane 34 and etc. We will be stepping on the rebuilding road not on the contention railway. And he'll leave us. No way he's gonna stay here

    And now just try to stay focus and see what we'll have in 2012:

    Yao, Martin, Scola or maybe even Okafor with a huge contracts (cause nobody needs him now and it will be very problematic to deal him)
    No young drafted players
    Kyle Lowry and Jordan Hill/Pat-Pat and JT as our young talents... Stop, what does it mean ''young''? Lowry will be 26, Hill and JT 25. Not so young as we wish to.

    Rockets will be in a terrified position. They will not contend without Paul, they have a chance to be out of playoffs race. They will struggle in the next couple of years, with no cap space, no young core, no players that can step up in the all-star level. We'll be mediocre team. It's not a pessimistic picture. It's true

    And right now you should ask yourself: if you are Daryl Morey (guy, who built this team, the future of this team, GM that is willing to see the whole situation everytime), would you make two-year experiment and risk a success of this franchise for three-four years after it?

    And after that you should understand that in the first year Yao, Paul, Martin and Scola will not have a supporting cast. That is quite difficult to beat Lakers without it. Yes, we would sign some veterans in february-march, but we'll pray as always... Please, Yao, don't brake your leg again. Please, Chris don't hurt your foot. Please, K-Mart, don't force a stupid injury...

    It's not the case. There is too much risk. I want to see Chris Paul in our lineup. This is my dream. But Morey will not doing that. If this happens in start of the offseason - he'll go for Chris. But he'll not do it right now.
     
    #1 _RTM_, Jul 25, 2010
  2. JayGoogle

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    Actually we don't know if Morey is after CP3 or not.

    It was said that the Hornets are not even discussing trades until after monday, after their meeting with Chris. So everything is speculation right now.

    If anything they hang onto Paul this year, and next season Chris will actually have leverage on where he wants to go.
     
    #2 JayGoogle, Jul 25, 2010
  3. CDrex

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    It's kind of a blanket statement to say "good trade" or "bad trade" before hearing what the trade is.

    If they give us Paul for Battier, Jeffries, and a draft pick, then yeah, kind of stupid not to take it.

    On the other hand, if it's Paul, Okafor, and Posey for Brooks, Martin, Battier, Jeffries, Hill, and all our draft picks for eternity, then it would be a pretty stupid move for a likely 2-year rental.

    I personally lean toward not giving up long-term assets for a short-term acquisition, but my point is it wouldn't make sense to render judgement on a trade without knowing the trade.
     
    #3 CDrex, Jul 25, 2010
  4. ico4498

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    where is the proof Morey isn't going after Paul?
     
    #4 ico4498, Jul 25, 2010
  5. thekad

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    Hayes - undrafted; signed him
    Scola - traded nothing for him
    Ariza - MLE signing
    Battier - the one guy we actually used a lottery pick on
    Brooks - a late first rounder that can be bought for cash
    Landry - a second round pick, then traded for Kevin Martin who himself was a late first rounder
    Budinger, Lowry, Anderson....

    ...won 42 games. Keeping in mind that we have no idea what a trade for Paul might look like, I don't think Morey is worried about being able to build a team around CP3 over the course of two whole years.
     
    #5 thekad, Jul 25, 2010
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    This team is too deep to worry about a trade for Paul depleting it. :rolleyes:
     
    #6 coachbadlee, Jul 25, 2010
  7. Prince

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    our system needs the ball moving around.. not jsut one pass from pg to a PF to dunk the ball.
     
    #7 Prince, Jul 25, 2010
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    #8 Tfor3, Jul 25, 2010
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  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Nice post RTM, you make some solid points, particularly about the team when CP3's contract is up.

    5 stars for putting out the effort, and I see the motard 1 star people are out in full force slamming something they don't agree with rather than actually rating the thoughts and effort.



    DD
     
    #9 DaDakota, Jul 25, 2010
  10. Dave_78

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    Morey is definitely looking to get in the CP3 mix. He has repeated over and over again that he wants to make a move for an elite player using the assets he has acquired over the last two seasons. He has also shown he isn't afraid to go after players who have past injury problems (see Kevin Martin trade and his response to those doubting KM's health). This is a no-brainer for Morey. He can get one of the top 10 (or maybe even 5) players in the league who just happens to play the first or second most important position in the game (depending on your opinion of PG vs. C).

    Trust me, he's trying to get this done but we won't hear much until the smoke clears.
     
    #10 Dave_78, Jul 25, 2010
  11. v3.0

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    A lot of "what if" is in the scenario of getting CP3 and after acquiring him.

    If we do get CP3, then IMO we officially move from the Yao era to the CP3 era (this is assuming Yao isn't dealt in the process of getting CP3) and start rebuilding the roster to compliment CP3, not Yao.

    Daryl knows how to rebuild the roster on the fly, so I'm not worried too much that he can surround CP3 with players that can compliment him.
     
    #11 v3.0, Jul 25, 2010
  12. Alvin Choo

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    If morey can get a supporting cast around Tmac and yao who took up 2/3 of the salary, I can't see why Morey will not be able to get a cast around CP3.

    But 1 thing that really strikes at me, is CP3 that much better than AB + whoever? CP3 is good, don't get me wrong on that. His one of the best if not the best PG today ( although I still think Deron is better than him. ).

    But to put all of Rox assets that Morey have put together for the pass 2 years on a position that
    1) have the MIP as the starter
    2) resign the backup for multiple years
    3) both players is still under 25
    4) a 2 player rotation that is so good that RA play them together occasionally.

    When there is no clear backup for Kevin Martin, a front line that is either over 30 or under 22, and a couple SFs that can't dribble.
     
    #12 Alvin Choo, Jul 25, 2010
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  13. thekad

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    The irony in this post is unbelievable. Bravo.
     
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  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Not at all, you should rate the effort even if you don't agree with the content.

    We are all not going to agree, as Rocket fans.

    Other than cheering them on......of course.

    He makes some excellent points about CP3 and re-upping his contract and how old our other key components will be.

    Something that has not been brought up before....

    And, I get 1 star from people all the time, just because it is me......the serfs always envy the king.

    ;)

    DD
     
    #14 DaDakota, Jul 25, 2010
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    CP3 - Lowry
    Martin - Taylor
    Battier -
    Scola - Okafor - Hayes - Hill/Pat Pat
    Yao - Okafor - Miller

    While this line-up may not be the best ever, it certainly looks better that our current line-up, and could contend for the next two years. There's always a chance that a star player could leave or get injured, but that's just the nature of the league now. I think DM would do that trade in a minute.
     
    #15 sfayner, Jul 25, 2010
  16. DaDakota

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    You need to keep players that move off the ball if you get CP3......Martin and Budinger would work well with him, as would Scola.

    Yao - not so much......

    Trevor also, but not Shane, Taylor would fail miserably as he needs the ball in his hands to work, and CP3 would ge the ball. Lowry would not be needed, as he would not get near the minutes and his contract requires him to get at least 24 minutes......

    You would have to turnover 50% of the roster.

    Just as anything in life, the fit and the team around the guy matters.

    DD
     
    #16 DaDakota, Jul 25, 2010
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    Maybe CP3 will actually SEE that 7'6" Chinse dude standing beneath the basket and pass it to him.

    Imagine seeing CP3 constantly creating easy shots so that high efficiency guys like Yao and Martin could finish. It would be awesome.

    Yao-Martin-CP3 would be one of the most efficient trios in the league.
     
    #17 Mr. Clutch, Jul 25, 2010
  18. Dave_78

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    Without a doubt he is. AB is a good scorer and a good player but he isn't a playmaker and sure as hell isn't elite. By adding CP3 not only do you get a huge upgrade at PG but you simultaneously make every other player on the roster better because you now have arguably the best passer in the league running the Point as opposed to an average to below average passer at PG (sorry Brooks fans but you know he isn't much of a distributor).
     
    #18 Dave_78, Jul 25, 2010
  19. durvasa

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    I think he'll end up in Dallas, which would suck.
     
    #19 durvasa, Jul 25, 2010
  20. thekad

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    So basically, you're slamming something you don't agree with. And this is only allowed if you do it.
     
    #20 thekad, Jul 25, 2010
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