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Why choose the left nut or the right nut...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. basso

    basso Contributing Member
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    ...when you can grab the Johnson?

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    He intrigued me for a while, but he's just too weird for me to fully support. I just get the feeling that he'd rather sit back and smoke a J than deal with ISIS.
     
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    Does this mean that Jill Stein is finally outpolling Harambe?

    I'd love to see Johnson on the debate stage if only to have a different voice in the room. While I don't agree with a lot of the Libertarian platform, it would certainly be interested to have somebody on stage calling for the decriminalization of many drugs and standing as a contrast to the talking Dorito wearing a tie.
     
  4. txtony

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    He's always high. Plus, this election isn't between a left or right nut. It's between crazy or not.
     
  5. basso

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    FTFY.

    Johnson was not my first choice, but if we're ever to break the cycle of extreme partisanship that's infected our political, and increasingly everyday, lives, i think he may be the best choice.

    and i agree with him about many things, particularly the size and role of government. ie, make it smaller, and get it out of the way.

    i'd prefer a more atlanticist foreign policy, but you can't have everything.
     
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    Trump is the criminal right?
     
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    This is the first image that comes to mind when I think of Johnson:

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    With all this talk (a lot from the republican/conservative side) of not voting for either major party and instead supporting Johnson, it will be interesting to see if he actually comes in at the normal place for a third party (suggesting people instead voted for their party's candidates).

    Previous third party vote percentages (since 1900). Teddy Roosevelt hit the high water of 27% of popular vote in 1912. Ross Perot had 19% in 1992. LaFollette had 16% in 1924. Wallace had 14% in 1968. And the popularly cited John Anderson had only 13% in 1980. Just about where Johnson is polling.

    My guess... Johnson ends up with 12% or less in November. Which to me suggests lots of people saying they won't vote for either Trump or Clinton did actually vote for Trump or Clinton.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    What will you do about Allep...er, Chicago?

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  10. fchowd0311

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    Hillary a left nut? Liberals would love it if she was. She's pretty ****ing moderate. 99% of the attacks on Hillary has little to do with what positions she holds on policy.
     
  11. basso

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    take your pick.
     
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    i actually campaigned for Anderson in 1980; Weld seems somewhat in the Anderson mold. i have no expectation that Johnson would actually win outright, but if he can score a few electoral votes, such that neither nut gets 270, and we end up in the house...anything could happen.

    in any event i can't vote for either Shillary or Drumpf. i like enough about Johnson to support him, and it would be refreshing to have a truly independent executive. could cause all kinds of interesting realignment.
     
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    The choice is disruptive narcissism or politics as usual.

    I know the POTUS isn't a reality show though, some people apparently don't.
     
  14. basso

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    politics as usual is the problem. Trump is the wrong solution.

    #FeelTheJohnson
     
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    Genuine question, basso: what gives you confidence that if it ended up in the House, they wouldn't simply elect Trump? Paul Ryan has shown very little willingness to go against Trump and his plurality of voters, many of whom support more far-right House members. Would Ryan actually risk turning this bloc against the Republicans by pushing through the election of somebody not named Trump?
     
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    I would like to see Johnson get a spot in the debates. I don't agree with a large majority of his platform but I think it would be for the greater good to have a 3rd candidate on the stage. It would do more long term for 3rd parties to be confident that they can get a voice in the debate. If he ends up getting somewhere over 10% in the election results, I can see the LP growing quite a bit over the next 4 years. Possibly gaining seats in the House come 2018.
     
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    I disagree - him being there plays to Trump hiding behind soundbites vs. substance.
     
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    i don't have such confidence, but it's an option i'd like to have. if Johnson polled strongly enough, i think it would demonstrate widespread disgust with the other choices, and perhaps a coalition would develop across the aisle to elect him.

    Trump has alienated enough of the republican establishment to open the door to someone else.

    and there's a lot of common ground between Johnson and small government/fiscal conservatives.

    social cons, not so much.
     
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    A vote for Johnson is a huge mistake as you are risking handing the election to Trump, and believe me, you will regret him being president. No matter how annoying and dislikable Clinton is, she will not ruin the country like Trump will
     
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    Would you, as a conservative voter, like to see the social wing rejected by the GOP? Their hardline positions don't seem to bode well for attracting voters younger than 60 and they seem to be the most visibly intractable members of the party (I'm thinking of people like Steve King, Louie Gohmert, etc.).
     
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