Who is more "racist": The Trump Organization or Silicon Valley

I am not sure we can easily conclude that. My question was very specific... of all those who graduated, how many have IT degrees. This means that they had the chance to pick which field they want to pursue so it is a matter of what interests them and not their background, upbringing, etc.

 

I think the root cause behind the lack of Blacks, Hispanics and women in IT (and STEM in general) originates in grade school.

Supermac34's posts are right on the money.

 

I guess it's worth wondering why one cares about Silicon Valley's purported racism, other than some deluded fixation on their supposed liberalism.

 

IIRC, Austin is the only major Texas city to be losing its Black population. It's definitely weird.

 

Another bit of anecdotal evidence: when I was at a large O&G company, the engineering departments were dominated by men. To make up for it, the "business functions" such as HR, Finance, Accounting, Process design were very much women-heavy in management. Those positions were actively given to women hires and the company was very straight forward to applicants: "This Finance Director role is going to a woman unless we get 0 applicants...so you can apply if you are a man, but you probably won't get it". There was quite a bit of attrition from those groups by men that just couldn't move up to the higher management roles due to those rules.

While I don't agree with the methods, I can certainly see why these large companies do this. They know they just aren't going to get women or minorities in their technical functions...they know they'll be judged harshly...so they actively "affirmative action" people into non tech roles to balance the numbers.

 

From my experience, no to the opportunity question and yes to the interest question. In fact, we need a lot more American to be interested in STEM. Not only is it hard to find qualified minority (women, black, hispanic) workers, it's hard to find qualified American workers in general.

Where there is still a problem is lack of diversity that could be racial in nature is in upper management... But that is also going away pretty quickly.

In general, the tech industry is a great example of non racial and forward thinking and how we play in a global market for workers. Trump idea of isolation could do much damages to this industry in the US.

 

For tech industry I've been in, diversity of the sexes and age is wanted. It's a feature if you will to yield diverse ideas... Something that is strongly value. Diversity of different race isn't mentioned much now a day because it's already quite diverse (as much as the worker pool allow).

 

I don't think Silicon valley is totally to blame. When I was in engineering school at UT, we had 3 girls out of almost 200 students in my engineering physics class.

 

Agree completely. My undergrad was Petroleum Engineering, probably the least woman oriented of all the engineering disciplines. Girls got all the summer internships, even though they didn't meet the qualifications, much less be the higher skilled. So, they don't even have to have the skills, just apply, and have enough skills/experience to make the hiring plausible.

Not complaining, it was what it was. But reverse discrimination does indeed occur.

 

Sorry, just took it for granted that everyone agreed that there aren't many women graduating with these degrees. In my graduating class of I think 120, there were like 3 women. You don't see many women, or blacks, in engineering colleges. Just attended a session of SASE (Society of Asian Scientists and Engineers) on a recruiting visit, and it was packed. The session right before that was general admittance, and it was primarily white males. I think I saw 1 or 2 women, and no blacks. I think representation in these groups is increasing, but it has a long ways to go.

Shame, too. Engineering and Science are great fields, leading to good jobs, and as indicated above, minorities would get snapped up in a job search. Women actually tend to be better acclimated to this work, and guys to speech and English, yet our societal norms are the reverse. As an engineer...that's inefficient.

An interesting subtopic....most women I do see in IT tend to be in sales. Are they there because they had a more sales oriented background, or because of societal norms, assuming they were better suited there? The representation of women in IT sales is MUCH MUCH higher than it is across the industry in general.

 

You also have massive agesim in SV. If you are over 30 good luck getting a job.

 

Agree. If you're picking Silicon Valley for Trump to compete against on diversity values, you've already lost. That's not the standard to hold Trump to. I guess OP assumes that because a lot of SV guys lean Democrat that liberals would feel some reciprocal allegiance and be complicit in or rationalize Silicon Valley's lack of diversity. No. Screw those guys.

 

Your narrow and disingenuous narrative is very loosely connected to your clumsy data. Your tribe completely ****ed up the political process and now you're flailing and pretending to care about and identify racism in a way that most blacks, particularly any who do any kind of serious professional career search, would find childish.

 

I don't think any of us actually know whether or not Trump is racist. We don't know his mind. We do know that he's said racist things, has prominent racists supporting him, and that he is grossly uninformed about the issues that face many minority groups today. He has shown an unwillingness to even make an attempt at informing himself about those issues. Whether that's because of his racism, or the fact that he just doesn't care, isn't really important, because he won't win over minority support in any significant numbers.

 

What about Trump people from Silicon Valley? Are they double-racists?

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