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When Cruz Makes His Move, Watch Out

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. txtony

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    Pregnant women probably cost a leg to cover. I would exclude them. One small example. That's the problem with that being the default position.
     
  2. RocketsLegend

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    Cruz came off really well. Sanders couldn't answer the woman's problem with expanding her business due to her thin margin profit and having to pay for insurance for all her employees.
     
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    I thought both senators had their moments, but also retreated to some of their own individual worst traits. Sanders was dismissive of the woman who owns a few Fantastic Sam's locations and can't afford to provide health insurance to her employees. Cruz dodged questions from the Texas woman who had to move to Maryland to get Medicaid for her MS and was overly lawyerly at times.

    I don't understand the criticism that somehow Bernie was out there to wholly defend Obamacare. He said often throughout the evening that it needs fixes. Bernie was arguing that Obamacare needs to be tweaked, and not repealed, while also advocating for what he's talked about all along: single-payer. He makes no bones about what he wishes for the US healthcare system and treats Obamacare as what it was originally intended to be when it was devised by the Heritage Foundation: a compromise between the unsustainable old model and single-payer.
     
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    Sanders called out Cruz on his "access" argument. Cruz and the Republicans have no intention of replacing, repairing, or improving Obamacare.
     
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    Were I an insurance company, I certainly wouldn't write a policy for a woman that was currently pregnant at the same rate as any other person. I also would not charge the same amount for men and women, knowing as I do that it costs more to cover women. Someone born with fetal alcohol syndrome is going to be much more costly to cover for an insurer than someone without, so premiums for such a person should be higher. Same for every other pre-existing condition. Actuarial analysis should also be used to determine premium prices. What you are considering a bug, I would call a feature.
     
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    Is Cruz lying about estate taxes, or simply uninformed? Or both? Funny how the GOP focus on so-called death tax... as always, simply an effort to benefit the very wealthy.

    'The super rich don’t pay estate tax,' Ted Cruz says. IRS says otherwise
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/13/the...te-tax-cruz-says-irs-data-says-otherwise.html
     
  9. glynch

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    Ted is just lying.

    His followers are mainly just uninformed.
     
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    Ted Cruz said to Bernie that he never called social security a ponzi scheme.

     
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    There is a reason why Trump called him "Llyin' Ted"
     
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    I thought both did well both could have had more facts about the main issues but they did good.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    No, I think the Tax Policy Center is playing a trick here by pivoting the perspective from the individuals who pay to the agency that collects. A 0.1% who dodges 90% of the intended effect of the estate tax could still pay a very large dollar amount but it'll be a negligible impact to his estate. Meanwhile a cotton farmer paying the full freight of his death might lose a substantial piece of his legacy but have a negligible impact on the IRS coffers. That is how much more rich the 0.1% and the 1% are compared to the West Texas cotton farmer.

    Also, $5m for an asset-heavy business like a farm is not a big business. This random web article tried to estimate how much capital it would take to start a family farm from scratch, and came up with about $5 million. http://www.agriculture.com/farm-man...ning/how-much-does-it-take-to-become-a-farmer

    Now, I don't know if Cruz is right or not. I would think a cotton farmer could choose a corporate structure that would insulate his family from some taxes. And, I have no idea how effectively Soros can actually dodge the tax. In any case, the answer could be to tighten the rules so that Soros can't dodge it and the cotton farmer can, instead of just killing it altogether. It's just I think the counter-logic is pretty specious here.
     
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    If you like Sweden or Denmark then move there, I like to keep my earned money instead of giving it to the government to waste it.
     
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    Why go to Sweden, when I can stay here and expropriate your hard-earned money? :p
     
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    I rarely come in this part of the board anymore but I do want to say I absolutely love this thread title. Always gives me a smile.
     
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