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What people are missing Westbrook vs. Paul: DURABILITY

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocketman1981, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. Rocketman1981

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    Harden plays nearly every game a season and carries his team night in and night out. Compare that to Kawhi, Lebron and others that get load management days off.

    A hidden value is Russ is great for the regular season, giving his all every night. Hopefully this will allow Harden to pace himself during the season and then be fresh for the playoffs. Harden usually peaks in February-April and we need to push that to April-June.

    Paul was constantly out and so Harden had to sacrifice his long-term energy to keep us afloat. Westbrook is a very durable player that has also been forced to do too much to keep his teams afloat due to injuries and lack of talent around them. These guys have each led the league in scoring, assists and both have rebounded like power forwards. What has been asked of them is mind boggling. I believe it also affected their defense.

    Knowing they don't have to carry their teams should lead to more pace allowing for better legs in the postseason.
    Westbrook plays so hard in the season that both his and Harden are burned out by the playoffs.

    Having two durable high usage players allows the usage per player to drop and to pace themselves more allowing for fresher legs in the playoffs. Hopefully those fresher legs can lead to better shooting for both of them and efficiency in the playoffs.

    There is a reason these guys at a young age went to the finals, that Harden's Rockets and OKC's Westbrook/Durant team almost took down Golden State. I think they've got all the stats, the trophies and now they need to pace themselves for the playoffs, keep their legs and lean on each other. Could work.
     
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    Maybe when he was younger.

    Brodie has had his times of injury, we improved on durability but not by much.

    We can thank Patrick Beverley for it as well.

    WB is going to be 31 himself.
     
  3. IBTL

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    The main reason cp3 was traded was due to health.

    We can look at this that and the other but that is the bottom line.
     
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    Oh lord u do know Westbrook has missed fewer games then harden right the last 3 years lmao. Oover 80 games a year the last 3 years. Come on people do alittle research first
     
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    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

    You are half right though, but last year he started missing games.

    Beverley's action did put a risk on his legs........

    Is it a sign for things to come? Hope not, but turning 31 and relying massively on athleticism would put a lot of stress on your body.

    Harden's game does not involve putting that much stress on his body therefore you could argue he is going to age better, we had tons of Harden vs WB threads in the past.

    Just mah opinion, take it or leave it. The Rox got healthier but let's not act like Westbrook is coming in as a 25 year old.
     
  6. BigggReddd

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    6 knee surgeries is a wee bit concerning.
     
  7. Downtown Sniper

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    I don't think Westbrook has missed more games in the past 3 seasons combined, than Paul did just last season.

    I think that's correct - not bothering to check the actual numbers.

    But I think Westbrook went through that couple of season of injuries directly following Bev, but has returned to ironman since... I think.
     
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  8. topfive

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    Here’s an even bigger difference: When Westbrook is on the court, he gives it everything he’s got. Always. Even Westbrook haters will admit that the guy plays harder than anyone in the league.

    Compared to that, CP3 last year was severely lacking. I spent most of the games wondering what the hell was wrong with him.
     
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    In the last 3 years, WB did miss spare games last year though.......both actually Paul George and him.

    One reason OKC underwent a rough patch......yes I know people have stats that say WB shooting got better towards the end but there were games he just bricked most of his shots and went 1-7 and those games were not rare.

    Just saying we should not be surprised if he goes down.

    MDA is not known for #Load management.
     
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  10. amaru

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    Games played last 3 seasons:

    Westbrook: 81,80, 73

    Paul: 58, 58, 61

    That’s a noticeable difference in availability
     
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    Actually nobody is missing it since this point is basically said by everyone everywhere.
     
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    And even this doesnt give you the full picture
    even when he plays , cp0 plays at 50% capacity, always troubled by some minor injury, recovering from something or saving himself for games that matter only to shoot 27% from 3 in the only games that matter , and he has spent the entire season saving himself for those
     
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    Don't jinx it. The D word shouldn't be thrown around.

    Once upon a time, Yao was touted as the most durable man league ever seen. The next thing we knew ...

    Grown men are scared.
     
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    don't jinx it. for safety.
     
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    You'd need double strikes for WB's double athleticism and extra passion.
     
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    You should be the assistant coach to MDA. ;)
     
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  17. SF3isBack!!

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    They wont listen to this. They want to be angry and they will do the same thing they did with Dwight. Cry about it for years and make him into a god who never did anything wrong and its all Hardens fault lol We shouldnt even be comparing CP3 to Westbrook because the trade wasnt about Westbrook being better or worse than CP3 lol
     
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  18. SF3isBack!!

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    He was busy being efficient and barely helping lol
     
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    Can't wait for the Clippers game now.. Westbrook vs Beverley
     
  20. rpr52121

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    I agree with OG but because of a slight variation.

    The past 2 years Harden has shown that he is a basically a "rhythm" superstar. in 2017-18, Paul and he had pretty good dynamic merging their styles. But when Paul when down quickly, Harden had a difficult time adjusting what he had gotten used to all year.

    Last year both Harden and Russ had to take over their teams when Paul (CP3) and Paul (PG13) when down with injuries, and then both had difficulties re-adjusting with any sort of balance for the rest of the season.

    Essentially, with both players having been durable recently, that gives me reason to expect they will be available all season to work on a developing a good chemistry and style over course of the season and continue it in the playoffs.
     

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