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What if NE, Buffalo, and Texans are 12-4

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hemingway, Dec 3, 2019 at 2:44 PM.

  1. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member

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    This a real possibility with the Bills beating Baltimore and NE losing to KC and Buffalo. Who would be second seed?
     
  2. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    We'd own the tiebreaker over the Pats. Not sure what the situation is with Buffalo though. I guess it might depend on when NE plays BUF next.
     
  3. steddinotayto

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    Three or More Clubs
    (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
     
  4. Hemingway

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    Under this scenario I am assuming the Pats lose to KC and Buffalo, and Buffalo loses to Baltimore and we win out.
     
  5. Nimo

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    It'll be even more fun if KC is also 12-4.
    New England over Buffalo due to common opponents (Bills lost to Eagles)
    KC over New England due to head-to-head
    Texans over KC due to head-to-head

    Edit:
    Baltimore
    Houston
    KC
    New England
     
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  6. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    If Baltimore also ends up 12-4 (let's say they lose to Buffalo), would they still be in 1st place? One of their losses was to KC and if you factor in the loss to Buffalo...
     
  7. Hemingway

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    Man I am way to lazy to figure all that out. If NE loses to both KC and Buffalo, we win out and Buffalo loses to Baltimore, who has the time and passion to figure it out?
     
  8. red5rocket

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    Ooowww sh*t lol
     
  9. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    As we get near the end of the season, I'm sure ESPN or some other sports site will have a "playoff scenarios" machine. Right now, there's too many variables.
     
  10. Mr.Scarface

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    Actually.....This is easy. If the Texans are 12-4....and anyone else (Chiefs, Pats, Bills...anyone beside the Ravens) are 12-4, the Texans would be the 2 seed based on Conference record and Head to Head.
     
  11. steddinotayto

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    It depends on how Buffalo and NE finishes within their division. If the Bills beat NE then they have a 1-1 head-to-head record. The next tiebreaker would be:

    Two Clubs
    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    If Buffalo beats NE and beats the Jets in the last week of the season, then their division record would be 5-1. NE, losing to the Bills in your scenario, also finish with a division record of 5-1 (assuming they beat Miami in Week 17 to make them 12-4 with a loss to KC). Assuming the 3rd tiebreaker is referencing non-conference games as "common games", then NE would win the division because they're non-conference record is 4-0 this season versus Buffalo's 3-1.

    Now that we sort the AFC East out, we now have Baltimore, Houston, KC, and NE as Division winners. In a scenario where all four teams end up at 12-4. In your scenario where KC beats NE, NE would be the lowest ranked team among the 4 because they lost to all 3 teams. So now it's down to Baltimore, KC and Houston.

    Baltimore beat Houston
    Houston beat KC
    KC beat Baltimore

    I would think this would then go to the 2nd tiebreaker:

    Three or More Clubs
    (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    5. Strength of victory.
    6. Strength of schedule.
    7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    9. Best net points in common games.
    10. Best net points in all games.
    11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
    12. Coin toss
    The Chiefs would end up as the #1 seed because by going 12-4 they finished with a 6-0 division record.

    Baltimore would be #2 because they went 1-0 against Houston in the season

    Houston would be #3.
     
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  12. Hey Now!

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    I typed out a very long response before realizing you'd already done the leg work... But I think - THINK! - you have one thing wrong.....
    I don't think that's true......... The only way H2H factors in is if one team is undefeated against all the other teams, and we don't have that scenario. Baltimore lost to KC; Houston lost to Baltimore. I don't believe it matters that NE lost to all four - although, again, I'm not 100% sure about that. I think it automatically moves to tiebreaker #3.... I THINK!
     
  13. steddinotayto

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    you might be right but if all four division winners have the same W-L record the next process of elimination would be head-to-head records, eliminating the Patriots from top 3 because they lost to all 3 teams. It wouldn’t make sense to elevate the Patriots over any of the remaining teams imo.
     
  14. Nimo

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    New England wins the division over Buffalo.

    So between Houston, KC, Baltimore, and New England:

    Houston/KC/Baltimore - (2-1)
    New England - (0-3)

    By virtue of this, New England is #4.

    To break the tie between Hou/KC/Bal
    KC: 6-0
    Hou: 5-1
    Bal: 5-1 (assuming they beat Pit and Cle)

    To break the tie between Hou/Bal:
    Hou: 2-0
    Bal: 1-1

    Houston is the #2 seed.
     
  15. Fulgore

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    Gladly face buffalo. Biggest frauds in the AFC.
     
  16. Cannonball

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    I tried it on the playoff machine here: http://tv5.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

    Results I got with all teams 12-4 were:

    • 1st Seed - Houston
      AFC South Champ
      Wins tie break over Kansas City and Baltimore based on best win percentage in conference games. Wins tie break over New England based on head-to-head sweep.
    • 2nd Seed - Kansas City
      AFC West Champ
      Wins tie break over New England and Baltimore based on head-to-head sweep.
    • 3rd Seed - Baltimore
      AFC North Champ
      Wins tie break over New England based on head-to-head win percentage.
    • 4th Seed - New England
      AFC East Champ (Wins tie break over Buffalo based on best win percentage in common games.)
    • 5th Seed - Buffalo
     
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  17. Cannonball

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    These are the tiebreakers for Teams tied within the same division. It's not for teams in different divisions. It makes no sense to rank teams based on division record when they're in different divisions.
     
  18. Nimo

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    That's right. It's conference record not division record.
     
  19. Fyreball

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    I appreciate the energy in this thread, but I'm gonna dedicate my mental resources to praying we beat Denver and Tennessee over the next 2 weeks.
     
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  20. EddieWasSnubbed

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    Simple. Not happening.


    Buffalo isn't beating New England, and they definitely aren't beating Baltimore.
     
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