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What excuse will they use for denying Harden MVP this season?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ferrari77, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Downtown Sniper

    Downtown Sniper Contributing Member

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    Not saying I disagree with the point you're making.

    But I am almost certain Westbrook had numerous games last season with a horrid field goal makeVStaken, and high turnovers, and well we all know he wasn't playing any defense on the perimeter last year.

    But did you ever hear that from the media?
     
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  2. brewer's goat

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    no that's why media sucks ass, and I certainly don't think highly of Westbrook because of that... I just want Harden to be better than him, but over the course of his career, Harden has proved to be extremely bipolar with his performance. To be fair, he has a lot more great games than these horrible ones - which is why he's a superstar - but when things are not going his way, Harden begins to suck at everything at the same time.

    Can he just not do that? Like when your shooting is off, try to compensate that by doing other things right? The problem is I rarely see this level of bombing in other elite players, except for Westbrook.
     
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  3. durvasa

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    Yes. Didn't Colin Cowherd point out the bad shot contesting on defense? He's a very high profile media guy.
     
  4. s3ts

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    Calm down. I hate the loss, and it wasn't a good game, but it doesn't mean you have a good point. Harden cannot be replaced with another player. Choose anyone else you think can take his position, they will not be able to replace Harden's elite productivity. To me, this is the definition of MVP.

    Curry/Durant doesn't have the passing ability and court vision that Harden has -- they both share the ball-handling duties and a lot of times Dray is the one doing the fast-break half-court passes. Also, their team has 2 other perennial all-stars....

    Kawhi is surrounded by 4 veteran players who happen to have been perennial all-stars (Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Pau Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge), and coached by Pop who is considered the GOAT.

    AD is an all-star playing with another perennial all-star in Demarcus Cousins. They're ranked 5th in the West. Conf. while never beating a team ranked top-16 in the league so far.

    Harden plays with possibly 1 arguable all-star on the roster (Eric Gordon). How was he tonight?
     
  5. durvasa

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    Curry in a MDA system would be very interesting. And he's a fantastic passer -- don't be fooled by assist numbers. That's highly system-dependent. Nash's assist totals skyrocketed when he went from the Mavs to the Suns.
     
  6. brewer's goat

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    Just because your teammates suck, it doesn't excuse Harden from turning the ball over 9 times (most of it was his fault, I watched the game) and play no defense. Harden has to find a way to stabilize his poor performance, because this bombing hard routine is getting too familiar, and will definitely happen again in the playoffs if it remains unfixed. And believe me, a lot of people in the media and casual fans had enough of Harden bombing on big stage, and this will be his final straw.
     
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  7. Downtown Sniper

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    I don't lump Colin in with 'the media' because he has his own opinion and isn't afraid to go against the masses. I love Colin.

    He'd be fired from ESPN within a week.
     
  8. Reeko

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    well that’s what happens when u have to create on every possession and be your team’s main scorer and facilitator

    it will be magnified with Harden because he’s in MDA’s system which relies on the PG to do everything, and he’s also not playing with another superstar with CP3 being injured since game 1

    his usage rate has been even higher than last year’s, and last night he had a 45% usage rate

    How many elite players do u see with Harden’s burden?
     
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  9. DonKnock

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    Curry is a not a good passer and had a higher career turnover rate that Harden going into last season.

    There’s a reason they started winning when they took the ball out of Curry’s hand and gave it to Draymond
     
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    He had a bad shooting percentage 8-25 FG and 3-11 from 3 still managed to hit 19 pts out of all FTs.

    He actually scored 19 pts.
     
  11. durvasa

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    Turnover rate is not a good indicator of passing ability. What is the career turnover rate for Steve Nash, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, and Jason Kidd?
     
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    When the team is wining with Harden playing well you are nowhere to be found but after a loss or a Harden bad game you are beating you're chest all over the place? Get a grip and calm down on the agenda driven dribble. To say a gamer in November against the Raptors is on the big stage is stupidity. Harden destroyed the Cavs on national tv so what was that?
     
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    Curry is a ok passer but are you with a straight face comparing his playmaking to Harden? Harden even before MDA was a great playmaker.This is not Jeremy Lin a average role player who MDA made to look good who is back to what he was a average role player without MDA, this is a player who was a superstar before MDA,
     
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    Shot chart off of a James Harden assist:

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  15. DonKnock

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    Curry looks even worse by the eye test than by data. His passes are largely basic and to wide open teammates because of his shooting ability and scheme rather than him throwing people open the way LeBron, Harden, or Chris Paul do.
     
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    1. James Harden, Houston Rockets
    Last week's ranking: No. 1

    Season stats: 30.2 points, 10.2 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.7 steals

    Another week, another top spot for Harden, who has willed the Rockets to a Western Conference-leading 11-3 record. His MVP case may take a hit when Chris Paul returns, but his status is secure for now. In Thursday's win over Cleveland, he became the first player since Michael Jordan (in 1989) to tally 35 points, 10 assists, 10 rebounds and five steals in a game.

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    They have the excuse loaded. They ready.
     
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    media conspiracy. Haven’t these guys heard the news that Adam Silver wants James Harden’s career destroyed?
     
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  18. Reeko

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    Lebron plays with Wade and Bosh and gets an MVP, no problem

    Curry plays with Klay and Draymond and gets an MVP, no problem

    Harden plays with CP3 so he has too much help and it will hurt his MVP case, and this is after Ego, Ryno, and Ariza were considered too much help last year because they’re “snipers”...

    Harden’s team is 11-4 and 2nd in the West but he’s barely holding on to the lead in the MVP race to a guy who’s team is 7-6 and 8th in the East...
     
  19. RocketsTruth

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    If you know the media is terrible, then you know Harden IS BETTER THAN WESTBRICK

    look at how oladipo, sabonic, kanter, mcbuckets are playing free from the vicegrip of westbrook. Meanwhile dwight is still being passed around like the nba's number #1 THOT

    btw why do you only show up after a loss

    the only player better than harden right now is lebron, all the stats show it. Can you look at our record and check stats numbnuts
     
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    Kawhi., LeBron, and Harden while yes they are the best 3 players in the current NBA.. they wont sniff an MVP.. the first requirement is you have to look the part.. and that means as close to mixed or light/white as possible. Giannis, KAT, WESTBRICK, curry, ben simmons are the future. they can be mediocre dont have to do near as much as harden and will be rewarded. Just look at this past player of the week for proof
     

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