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[WaPo] To David Chang, the ‘ethnic’ food aisle is racist. Others say it’s convenient.

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    grab your torch and pitchforks

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-bastion-of-racism-others-see-it-differently/

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    To David Chang, the ‘ethnic’ food aisle is racist. Others say it’s convenient.

    By Tim Carman
    September 30 at 12:00 PM

    To millions of shoppers, the supermarket is just a place to stock up on produce and pantry staples to keep the family fed. But to others, especially children of immigrants who may already feel pushed to the margins of the American mainstream, the supermarket can be just another place to experience the sting of their outsider status.

    The sting occurs whenever they walk down the “ethnic” food aisle, the section of the supermarket that, to some, plays out like a remnant of the Jim Crow era, when laws established separate facilities for African Americans in the post-Reconstruction South. Sometimes known as the “international” food aisle, or even “Asian” and “Latino” aisles, these rows can come across to the shoppers they seemingly target as de facto segregation, another kind of “separate but equal” policy that marginalized African Americans for generations.

    “If you go to the ethnic food aisle, that is sort of the last bastion of racism that you can see in full daylight in retail America,” David Chang, the man at the helm of the Momofuku empire, said on his podcast this summer. “It is something that’s got to go."

    In a telephone interview, Chang says there is an “invisible ceiling” on some supermarket items: Italian products that were once marginalized, such as olive oils and vinegars, are now routinely integrated into grocery store aisles, while Chinese, Japanese and Latino foods remain stuck in their own sections. The ongoing segregation of these foods, Chang says, isn’t about acceptance among the mainstream. Asian and Latino cuisines have long been embraced by Americans of every stripe, he says. You can sometimes even see this acceptance play out in supermarkets: Instant ramen and tortilla soups may sit right next to boxes of chicken noodle and cream of chicken soups, those standards of mid-century America. Same for the produce section, where plantains and mangoes will be sold in the same area as apples and iceberg lettuce.

    Yet in supermarkets there are still aisles dedicated to soy sauce, duck sauce, oyster sauce, rice vinegar, coconut milk, rice crackers, stir-fry sauces, yum yum sauce, curry paste, corn flours, adobo seasoning, bagged tortillas, refried beans, salsas and hundreds of other products connected, sometimes tenuously, to Asian and Latin American countries.

    “All the foods in the ethnic food aisle are already accepted. So why do we even have them?” Chang asks. The aisles, he adds, are an echo of “1950s America, which was not a particularly good place to be, especially if you were Asian.”

    To Chang’s way of thinking, these aisles continue to exist because nobody wants to talk about them, which was certainly true about the publicists I contacted for this story. Representatives of Whole Foods Market, Giant Food, Kroger, Albertsons (which includes Safeway stores) and Harris Teeter either declined to comment or did not return multiple phone calls for comment.

    Phil Lempert is not connected to any supermarket chain. He’s the founder of supermarketguru.com, an independent source of food retail trends and industry analysis. He has also been the food trends editor for NBC’s “Today” show since the early 1990s. He knows a lot about how supermarkets operate, past and present.

    Grocery stores began devoting shelf space to international products around the 1950s, Lempert says. The push came from independent distributors, known as rack jobbers, that specialized in foods then considered outside the American mainstream — Chinese, Jewish, Italian or of another origin — and were searching for places to sell them. Early on, rack jobbers would be responsible for their specific section of a store: They would stock the shelf, maintain its appearance and restock it as necessary.

    “It was the beginning of the store within a store, but this was a shelf within a shelf,” Lempert says.

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    Chang’s take is by no means universal. Krishnendu Ray, a New York University associate professor of food studies and the author of “The Ethnic Restaurateur,” says he is not bothered by international food aisles. A first-generation immigrant from the Indian state of Odisha, Ray doesn’t find these aisles insulting, humiliating or even necessarily segregating. He mainly finds them intriguing. His interest, he acknowledges, is largely academic. He wants to see how the American mainstream packages and sells food designated as Indian or Mexican or some other international cuisine. But Ray says his perspective would probably be different if he, like Chang, were the child of immigrants. A child whose food was mocked by peers at school. A child who constantly tried to merge into the mainstream but encountered roadblocks.

    “The way I react to it would be very different from a second-generation American, a child of an immigrant,” Ray says. “I think that David’s perspective is very attuned to the second-generation children of immigrants who have this sense of being identified, cornered, considered inferior.”

    Those who own and operate grocery stores, or used to, say that international food aisles have nothing to do with segregation — and everything to do with sales and convenience.

    Jay Rosengarten, co-founder of the Food Emporium chain, the first grocery stores to mix regular and specialty items on the same shelves, says that supermarkets in predominantly white neighborhoods operate more efficiently when they offer international products all in the same area. The rationale is simple, he notes: Customers don’t want to search all over the supermarket — a massive space that can hold upward of 42,000 items — just for the handful of ingredients they might need to prepare, for example, Mexican enchiladas. They can pick up the tortillas, the seasoning blend and the salsa all in the same aisle.

    These aisles don’t have “anything to do with racism,” Rosengarten says. “It has everything to do with the way people buy food. That’s the way stores are organized.”

    Plus, as Goya’s Perez points out, absorbing international foods into the larger supermarket ecosystem can hurt the sales of those products. A few years ago, when William Rodriguez was building a new Billy’s Market Place in Ridgewood, N.Y., he considered ditching the international food aisle and integrating the Latino, Chinese, Indian and other products into the standard supermarket shelves. But he was discouraged from doing so — by some of the very companies that supply these foods. In the past, supermarkets that attempted such integration saw their sales drop on international products, says Rodriguez, who is also president of the National Supermarket Association. Shoppers apparently buy more of the same foods when they are lumped together, which is good for both supermarket and supplier.

    International aisles are “extremely profitable,” adds Perez. “It generates more dollars per food [product] by having it consolidated.”

    But more to the point, Perez says, the battle for hearts and minds has already been won. Over the decades, supermarkets have expanded their stock of international foods. Items that, back in the 1960s and 1970s, occupied just a few shelves by the dock doors have multiplied many times over and now consume whole aisles. These foods generate foot traffic into supermarkets, which see the fringe benefit of sales in other departments. The increased visibility for these foods is a statement in itself, Perez says.

    An aisle that, to David Chang, looks like an ugly remnant of segregation is, in fact, something else altogether, Perez says. It’s a destination.
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    Click bait. No one cares outside of desperate media outlets looking to get a click. Thanks to the OP for copying this trash so no one has to click it.
     
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    Really that’s a stretch. How about we talk about how pasta has it’s own aisle next?. Or how about coffee?. What kind of world are we living in.
     
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    BOOOOYCOOOOOTT!
     
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    I love the ethnic aisle. I can get basmati rice at 6 cents per ounce in the Indian section or 12 cents per ounce in the rice section.

    On the segregation charge, if there was no such aisle, some products would survive, but most of them would end up excised completely. Canned watercress would be completely lost in the mile-long can aisle and end up getting dropped because no one can find it to buy it. Instead shoppers would go to specialist stores -- the Kosher grocery store, a halal store, the Hong Kong food market -- to find the products that were common in their home countries.
     
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    Racism would be not selling these products at all even when they are requested because “we don’t want those people in our stores” or some junk.

    Where they are placed has everything to do, as one of the experts in the article said, with how they sell. And it isn’t as if the international aisle is the only place you can find “international” food. You can often find them in the frozen aisle mixed in with other products.

    If you want more, and are in a bigger city, there are often stores that specialize in “international” foods. As I drive down Mason, there are about 2-3 different Asian grocery stores and they aren’t small mom and pop places.
     
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    Whatever.

    I really do not care other than to say to compare it to Jim Crow is insulting and disrespectful.
     
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    I don't care. If David Chang is offended, I'm fine changing it. I don't care one way or the other on this one.If we cleaned up the 58,397 other problems more harmful and damaging to different ethnic groups first, I might be willing to spend some time on this.
     
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    Yep. There's a whole PC movement in the food industry decrying "cultural appropriation" and other such nonsense, they use the same descriptions. I just shake my head.
     
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    I try to like the guy and I watch some of his food stuff but sometimes he's just annoying. He has like a vendetta against people who now enjoy asian dishes/drinks/snacks that would of made fun of him when he ate those things as a kid. Like how dare you eat kimchi in this day and age when 15 years ago you'd make fun of me for eating it. I think he even said something in that regards on his Netflix food show.
    If anything I find the asian/latino/international isles more convenient.
     
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    Can we still have Taco Tuesday?
     
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    I think it’s called international at Kroger, definitely has a better ring to it.
     
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    oh okay chang but I has to be okay with “cracker” section at store?!?!
     
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    As a second gen ethnic, I get there's a feeling of segregation. David is a little older but I did grow up at the tail end of the dirty looks for weird smelling food phase at schools. They just weren't diverse enough and it was considered, at best, exotic... at worst, inferior garbage.

    There's a rich sense of irony for a restauranteur, whose fame has been to open up boojie Asian restaurants marked up for hipster yuppies, to level these complaints driven from America's past ethnic biases. He should be proud that he made it, and likely with the help of the same kids who turned their noses at his mom's smelly leftovers.

    I would rather pay attention to that.

    I don't really think it's a big deal. The ethnic aisle is a rip-off in big cities, so it's likely to cater more to neophyte cookers who appreciate it all in one spot. For small towns, it's pretty much a lifeline, and non native speakers probably rather have it all in one place. It's not even racially motivated as the frozen food section has pot stickers, piergoles, tacos all unsorted...

    He shouldn't have brought up the extremes of voter suppression and government sponsored oppression, but we wouldn't be taking about this if he didn't.
     
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